On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:28:03 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:

What I find so intriguing is what the 'taper proponents' intend to do with
the 'taper' data when at last they have it in the form of numbers?

That day never seems to arrive. Perhaps eh/cfa testing results are
clogging the queue.

Of what
use is it?

Bragging rights of the ****-ant stature.

Into what are the numbers inserted?

second only to preparation H for that application.

What is the next stage in
the proposed modelling process?

creating a new icon to worship.

C'Mon, Reg, you new those answers all along!

Reg Edwards wrote:
What I find so intriguing is what the 'taper proponents' intend to do with
the 'taper' data when at last they have it in the form of numbers? Of what
use is it?

As I said on the other newsgroup, Reg, it is useful for discrediting the
assertion of one of r.r.a.a's ex-gurus.

W8JI wrote:
If you look at HOW an inductor works, the current flowing in one terminal
ALWAYS equals the current flowing out the other terminal.

"ALWAYS" to me, means zero taper. What does it mean to you, Reg?
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"ALWAYS" to me, means zero taper. What does it mean to you, Reg?
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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There's no such thing as a perfect coil. All coils have stray capacitance
and resistance. Consequently, it's exeedingly unlikely the current at one
end is equal to the current flowing at the other end. The current flows out
of the coil via the stray capacitance to its enironment. So we don't just
have I1+I2 - we have I1+I2+I3 to contend with, where I3 is distributed
along the length of the coil.

Not that anybody in his right mind would ever wish to know the magnitude of
the taper of the current or volts. Seems to be an invention of the denizens
of this newsgroup, most of whom seem to have lost theirs.

Now, Cecil, you understand this as well as I do. Cease pulling my leg. So
don't expect me to waste any more of my time discussing it. ;o)
----
Reg, G4FGQ

Reg Edwards wrote:
Now, Cecil, you understand this as well as I do. Cease pulling my leg. So
don't expect me to waste any more of my time discussing it. ;o)

Yuri didn't agree with the following assertion by an antenna guru:

"If you look at HOW an inductor works, the current flowing in one
terminal ALWAYS equals the current flowing out the other terminal."

Because Yuri didn't agree with that assertion, he was accused of
being lower than the deepest layer of whale sh*t in the deepest
part of the ocean. Can you blame him for reacting?
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Reg Edwards wrote:

SNIP

What I find so intriguing is what the 'taper proponents' intend to do with
the 'taper' data when at last they have it in the form of numbers? Of what
use is it? Into what are the numbers inserted? What is the next stage in
the proposed modelling process?
----
Reg, G4FGQ


IMO: The next stage is designing the coil! A long thin coil [like a
Hamstick] requires a longer length of wire than a short 'fat' [note the
quotes] coil [like a bug catcher or a screwdriver].

The hamstick has a higher current taper than the screwdriver or bugcatcher.

The resultant integral of the current and length [in degrees]
[ampere*degrees] of the resulting antenna is higher with the short fat
coil than with a long thin coil. {This assumes the coils are located
approximately at the same location.}

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

Dave Shrader wrote:




IMO: The next stage is designing the coil! A long thin coil [like a
Hamstick] requires a longer length of wire than a short 'fat' [note the
quotes] coil [like a bug catcher or a screwdriver].

The hamstick has a higher current taper than the screwdriver or bugcatcher.

The resultant integral of the current and length [in degrees]
[ampere*degrees] of the resulting antenna is higher with the short fat
coil than with a long thin coil. {This assumes the coils are located
approximately at the same location.}

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

Additional note. 75 inches of wire versus 40 inches of wire at 14 MHz is
only a 1.1 degree difference.

Reg Edwards wrote:
What I find so intriguing is what the 'taper proponents' intend to do with
the 'taper' data when at last they have it in the form of numbers?

Taper "data"? I think the dispute is over the theoretical and the
philosophical. And of the pictures describing the phenomenon.

73, Jim AC6XG

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message

What I find so intriguing is what the 'taper proponents' intend to do with
the 'taper' data when at last they have it in the form of numbers? Of what
use is it? Into what are the numbers inserted? What is the next stage in
the proposed modelling process?

You got me. Note that Wes mentioned on his web page that the lumped
coils he modeled, seemed to more resemble "real world" results than
the distributed coils he tried. MK