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Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

Any SDS+ drill with the "rotary stop" option will make a very effective
hammer for earth rods.


Ian-

I found SDA+ hammer drills in a couple of the local hardware stores
today. The smallest was around 3 kilograms (6.5 pounds), but I suspect
is the "2 kilogram" class you refer to.

One question the sales people couldn't answer, was what you meant by
"rotary stop". The drills I saw all had a linear stop in the form of a
rod that can be adjusted to stop penetration of the drill bit at a
desired depth. Do you mean that kind of stop, or do you mean something
like stopping rotary action, leaving only the hammering action?

Fred
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Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

Any SDS+ drill with the "rotary stop" option will make a very effective
hammer for earth rods.


Ian-

I found SDA+ hammer drills in a couple of the local hardware stores
today. The smallest was around 3 kilograms (6.5 pounds), but I suspect
is the "2 kilogram" class you refer to.

Probably... the "2 kilogram" drills look like a stretched version of a
normal pistol-grip drill, with a horizontal motor. For example:
http://tinyurl.com/33zcrr
http://tinyurl.com/3algeq

(I have no idea why the store calls one of these drills "3/4-inch" and
the other "7/8inch". There is only ONE size of SDS+ chuck and drill
shank.)


The "4 kilogram" drills are "L-shaped" with a vertical motor, and are
much heavier and harder to control. For example:
http://tinyurl.com/37w97w

For most applications the extra power of the 4kg drill is not necessary
- certainly not for hammering or drilling for grounds rods.

One question the sales people couldn't answer, was what you meant by
"rotary stop". The drills I saw all had a linear stop in the form of a
rod that can be adjusted to stop penetration of the drill bit at a
desired depth. Do you mean that kind of stop, or do you mean something
like stopping rotary action, leaving only the hammering action?

That's correct. The rod is usually known as a "depth stop".

Check for the following features:

1. "Rotary stop": ability to stop rotation and use hammer only. On
better drills, this also allows the chuck to be locked in a number of
pre-set positions for use with a chisel bit.

2. "Hammer stop": ability to switch off the hammer action. Very good for
starting holes in exactly the right location.

3. Safety clutch: DON'T BUY a drill that doesn't have one!

4. Very good trigger-operated speed control, that will allow the drill
to be started at a slow crawl. This is something that you can only check
by trying the drill in the store.

More information:
http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/powertools/sds.htm


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In article ,
Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

Probably... the "2 kilogram" drills look like a stretched version of a
normal pistol-grip drill, with a horizontal motor. For example:
http://tinyurl.com/33zcrr


Ian-

Your first example is the one I was looking at.

Neither store had anything like a Ground Rod adapter or half inch socket
adapter in stock. I searched the web and was not able to find a ground
rod adapter compatible with SDS+. I found one comment that such an
adapter would not be sufficiently strong to withstand the forces
required to drive a ground rod. There were several references to an
SDS-Max adapter, but that may not be compatible with SDS+. Yes, the
prices were high!

I did find references to a half inch socket adapter. It is a Hitachi
"1/2 inch Chemical Anchor Adapter", Code No. 303044.

Fred
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Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

Probably... the "2 kilogram" drills look like a stretched version of a
normal pistol-grip drill, with a horizontal motor. For example:
http://tinyurl.com/33zcrr


Ian-

Your first example is the one I was looking at.

Neither store had anything like a Ground Rod adapter or half inch socket
adapter in stock. I searched the web and was not able to find a ground
rod adapter compatible with SDS+. I found one comment that such an
adapter would not be sufficiently strong to withstand the forces
required to drive a ground rod.


Nah - we're not talking about pile-driving here.

There were several references to an
SDS-Max adapter, but that may not be compatible with SDS+. Yes, the
prices were high!

SDS Max is the next league up in terms of brute performance, weight and
price. For normal ground rods, SDS Max is probably more than you need.

I did find references to a half inch socket adapter. It is a Hitachi
"1/2 inch Chemical Anchor Adapter", Code No. 303044.


No, it's not that one either...

It seems the magic words might be "nut driver":
http://tinyurl.com/2bohkg

You use the flat end of the nut driver to hammer on the rod, and to
prevent it from skidding off the end of the rod, you snap on the correct
size of automotive nut-driver socket.

These surely must be available somewhere in the USA, if you can figure
out the right name to ask for.


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In article ,
Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

No, it's not that one either...

It seems the magic words might be "nut driver":
http://tinyurl.com/2bohkg


Ian-

The Hitachi half inch socket adapter looks like your nut driver in the
one illustration I found. It adapts a "standard socket" to SDS+.

I'll take both pictures when I go back to the stores.

Fred
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