On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey wrote:
On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
,

"Kurt Ullman" wrote:
In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

IPhone Buyers and Users -and- Apple Supporters
may not be one and the same. ~ RHF

On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey wrote:
On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
, "Kurt"

wrote:
In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
, "Kurt"
wrote:

In article . com,
Radium wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote in

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...







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:

Radium hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.

-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
http://www.firststreetonline.com/pro...78&PID=1583978
Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF


The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

So, what was your point?

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On 7/21/07 12:19 PM, in article
, "RHF"
wrote:

(snip)


Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.

-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .

http://www.firststreetonline.com/pro...678&PID=158397
8

That's as ugly as they get.....

Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF

(snip)

Lots of reasons..... Here's a couple:

* We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.

* We aren't a cohesive group of a same mind. I'm one, but I'd have an
iPhone in a minute just cause it is cool, if it weren't for the ridiculous
rate structures.

On Jul 21, 12:19 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey wrote:





On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
, "Kurt"

wrote:
In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
, "Kurt"
wrote:

In article . com,
Radium wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote in

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...

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:

Radium hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.

-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .http://www.firststreetonline.com/pro...romotion=86678...
Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF





The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

So, what was your point?

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- S N I P -

RADIUM,

The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups

- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.

Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .

OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]

Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.

However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.

Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?

David I know you must have a Cellphone.

Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.

Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?

Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?

Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?

IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !

I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF

In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Kurt" wrote in message
...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?






There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.

Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home
since '84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the
headers in e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's
talking to each other the entire time.

As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the
marketplace, compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.

That's why the ****ing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
between platforms that currently play well together using standards
compliant output.

On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one
or two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation.
With the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and
presentations with full animation and stereo sound, none of my
colleagues can tell that I've used a Mac.

On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else...
browser, IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.

The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS
software. And that's been true for more than a decade, now.

What's even worse is how MS thumbs their nose at making an HTML/CSS
compliant browser.

All the non-standard workarounds we need to do to get some HTML and much
CSS to appear properly in PCIE is ridiculous.

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In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Kurt" wrote in message
...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and
Family" plan). ?






There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.

Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home since
'84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the headers in
e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's talking to each
other the entire time.

As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the marketplace,
compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.

That's why the ****ing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
between platforms that currently play well together using standards
compliant output.

On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one or
two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation. With
the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and presentations
with full animation and stereo sound, none of my colleagues can tell that
I've used a Mac.

On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else... browser,
IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.

The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS software.
And that's been true for more than a decade, now.


My biggest problem with Mac (I like the machines, always have) is the
relative lack of software available for them. For instance, I have several
video editing applications, and several internet webcasting applications,
and they cannot be duplicated in Mac. (or at least they could not). I'll
concede that their machines, and to an extent their OS, are very reliable.

The proprietary stuff will always be an issue (yes, not having
DesignMyCloset couyld be an issue for some people).

Final Cut Pro is pretty swell for most of the pro world.

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In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
, "Kurt"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
, "Kurt"
wrote:

In article . com,
Radium wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote in


http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl



=
en&
:

Radium hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c..
.

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything.
You're
an idiot.


I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

So, what was your point?

Don

Never said they do. People want to buy iPhones and iPods because of the
ease of use and right-on-the-nose product design. Then there is the
coolness factor.

Why is this so hard for other companies to do?

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Don Bowey wrote:

* We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.


http://www.jitterbug.com/Phones.aspx


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:

On 7/21/07 12:19 PM, in article
, "RHF"
wrote:

(snip)


Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.

-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .

http://www.firststreetonline.com/pro...86678&PID=1583
97
8

That's as ugly as they get.....

Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF

(snip)

Lots of reasons..... Here's a couple:

* We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.

* We aren't a cohesive group of a same mind. I'm one, but I'd have an
iPhone in a minute just cause it is cool, if it weren't for the ridiculous
rate structures.

Far better for data than anyone else's offerings. Take a look.

I need reading glasses for my Treo, but there are those who simply want
a phone with large numbers and no features other than voice.

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In article

,
Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article ,
Don Bowey wrote:


You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

We had these same naysayers in these groups who were predicting the flop
of iPhone a week before it came out. The more rabid ones disappeared.
Now we have this more ambiguous approach.

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