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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com Is it like Goosian thing in the tunnnnelll? Like, light is soooo fast that it comes on like before you flick the switch? Yuri K3BU.us |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml This immediately suggests possible and interesting uses in cooling/refrigeration, if this "scientific discovery" holds water ... Regards, JS |
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"Yuri Blanarovich" wrote in message ... "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com Is it like Goosian thing in the tunnnnelll? Like, light is soooo fast that it comes on like before you flick the switch? Yuri K3BU.us tunneling doesnt take faster than light speed to explain, only that there are more than three dimensions to space. In some dimension the begining and end was not as far apart as the scientist thought they were. In other words you dont travel faster than light, you just take a short cut. Jimmie |
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John Smith I wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml This immediately suggests possible and interesting uses in cooling/refrigeration, if this "scientific discovery" holds water ... Entangled particles may be a tunneling of sorts through space-time. It has been proved to my satisfaction that reality is non-local. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Jimmie D wrote:
tunneling doesnt take faster than light speed to explain, only that there are more than three dimensions to space. In some dimension the begining and end was not as far apart as the scientist thought they were. In other words you dont travel faster than light, you just take a short cut. Beam me up, Scottie, and engage at Warp 6. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com Seems I got shot down in flames when I mentioned this very topic a couple of months ago. Or maybe it was my attempt to try and visualise how this phenomenon might take place. :-( If optical photons can tunnel through opaque materials, then why not radio frequency photons? An antenna made completely of insulating materials would at least reduce the risk of lightning strikes. :-) Mike G0ULI |
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Mike Kaliski wrote:
Seems I got shot down in flames when I mentioned this very topic a couple of months ago. Sounds like you experienced Relativity Hell. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
... Entangled particles may be a tunneling of sorts through space-time. It has been proved to my satisfaction that reality is non-local. You are open minded Cecil, that appeals to me, some it doesn't. If there is something new, or even the possibility of something new--I'll be there ... Regards, JS |
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Mike Kaliski wrote:
... If optical photons can tunnel through opaque materials, then why not radio frequency photons? ... You just can't pose a better question than that, it escapes me how anyone can find fault with such a question(s). Once we deal with the problem of rf waves appearing both as waves and photons and get our minds wrapped around how this is (truly understand rf), interesting things could happen. Regards, JS |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:20:14 +0100, "Mike Kaliski"
wrote: An antenna made completely of insulating materials would at least reduce the risk of lightning strikes. Hi Mike, There are antennas made of insulating materials, why don't you have one already? However, no antenna is made "completely" of insulating material - unless you can replace a gamma feed with fiber optics at HF. ;-) Let's say you want to work 30M Evanescent Mode (this is the coupling of their work). Build yourself a prism of glass (or other, similar dielectric with n 1.6) with sides of 400M X 400M X 600M. Aim the long side's face into the sky - if you can move it, that is. Point your beam into one of the smaller faces. Expect a LOT of attenuation. If you want more energy going towards DX, you need to make the prism larger. If glass is not your cup of tea, it can be replaced with a similar sized prism of a matrix of metal rods (all roughly resonant). This does, of course, present a lightning hazard. As for the "faster than light," Your DX signal will probably arrive no sooner than it did without the prisms (the "faster than light" only works with retarding mechanisms). This is all like selling dehydrated water (Just add water!). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:16:21 -0700, John Smith I
wrote: Mike Kaliski wrote: ... If optical photons can tunnel through opaque materials, then why not radio frequency photons? ... You just can't pose a better question than that, it escapes me how anyone can find fault with such a question(s). Once we deal with the problem of rf waves appearing both as waves and photons and get our minds wrapped around how this is (truly understand rf), interesting things could happen. Both posts pretty much ignore that the research WAS done with RF (9 GHZ). Fellows, try reading the original work rather than the boys from MENSA comic book editions. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Richard Clark wrote:
... Both posts pretty much ignore that the research WAS done with RF (9 GHZ). Fellows, try reading the original work rather than the boys from MENSA comic book editions. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Richard, I got "your line down"; We already know it all! And, what we don't, you can fill us in on ... heck, just chalk me up as a slow learner! :-) Regards, JS |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:16:21 -0700, John Smith I wrote: Mike Kaliski wrote: ... If optical photons can tunnel through opaque materials, then why not radio frequency photons? ... You just can't pose a better question than that, it escapes me how anyone can find fault with such a question(s). Once we deal with the problem of rf waves appearing both as waves and photons and get our minds wrapped around how this is (truly understand rf), interesting things could happen. Both posts pretty much ignore that the research WAS done with RF (9 GHZ). And the about the only thing new was this was done at RF instead of optical frequencies as has been done for years. Fellows, try reading the original work rather than the boys from MENSA comic book editions. And the background stuff that says this is old news (other than doing it at RF). -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Mike Kaliski wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com Seems I got shot down in flames when I mentioned this very topic a couple of months ago. Or maybe it was my attempt to try and visualise how this phenomenon might take place. :-( If optical photons can tunnel through opaque materials, then why not radio frequency photons? An antenna made completely of insulating materials would at least reduce the risk of lightning strikes. :-) Am I reading the wrong thing? When I click on the link, I get a story about "We have broken speed of light". Looks like "We go really fast, lose command of English". To comment on the what the link has on it, There are some really fundamental mistakes in it: What kind of scientist measures "instantaneousnous"? How do you measure that? What is the margin of error on apparent simultaneous occurances? How does traveling faster than light allow you to arrive before you leave?. That would be time reversal, not traveling faster than light. According to their experiment, you could get there no sooner than instant you left. Anything is possible when you get your science news from The Telegraph. Kinda reminds me of the old DAK catalogs. I'd like to read their publication on the matter. And as for tunneling, its been known about for quite some time. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:16:21 -0700, John Smith I wrote: Mike Kaliski wrote: ... If optical photons can tunnel through opaque materials, then why not radio frequency photons? ... You just can't pose a better question than that, it escapes me how anyone can find fault with such a question(s). Once we deal with the problem of rf waves appearing both as waves and photons and get our minds wrapped around how this is (truly understand rf), interesting things could happen. Both posts pretty much ignore that the research WAS done with RF (9 GHZ). Fellows, try reading the original work rather than the boys from MENSA comic book editions. The original wasn't a whole lot more satisfying,(I almost thought it was an abstract) but at least it didn't have the touchy feely science of the Telegraph's report. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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John Smith I wrote:
Richard Clark wrote: ... Both posts pretty much ignore that the research WAS done with RF (9 GHZ). Fellows, try reading the original work rather than the boys from MENSA comic book editions. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Richard, I got "your line down"; We already know it all! And, what we don't, you can fill us in on ... heck, just chalk me up as a slow learner! :-) I read the original work too, and came to much the same conclusion. I'd put more stock in zero point energy than this little experiment allowing us to get somewhere before we start. The telegraph's article is a lot more satisfying though, if incorrect. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:09:16 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote: Fellows, try reading the original work rather than the boys from MENSA comic book editions. The original wasn't a whole lot more satisfying,(I almost thought it was an abstract) but at least it didn't have the touchy feely science of the Telegraph's report. Hi Mike, I'm accustomed to material dealing with evanescent waves. I've alluded to them in other postings here where the wavelength and the frequency of the energy do not follow classic conversions such as 1 = f/t. Evanescent waves are one of but many of the energy transfer mechanisms being turned into something useful at the nano-scale. The original article cites work done in the audio spectrum ("Beating the Sound Barrier"), but unless you are versed in the trade, you might think in terms of Hz, KHz, or MHz. Instead, their region of acoustic interest is in the THz. Touchy-feely at the nano level is wholly different as it departs from Newtonian rules, but doesn't quite delve into Quantum (a middle ground of the curious where current flow is one electron at a time). Anyway, back to antennas. Another, related, "photonic" oddity is found in materials with negative indices of refraction. Locally, Boeing has done some investigation into it: http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers...gust/i_tt.html This reveals a cube of artificial dielectric with a negative index. It is also relegated to the microwaves for testing the concepts. I designed models in EZNEC years ago, but quickly ran out of segments for all but the simplest prisms. A negative index of refraction gives you a lens that can focus to an infinitely small spot (a must have for those doing photolithography in the nano scale). The kicker is that the lens is flat. And, of course, it bends rays backwards to expectations (backwards as in to the other side of the normal, incidence; not reflection). ***** sucker bait follows ******* Now, if we were to split the cube diagonally and repeat the evanescent mode, then maybe we could light up dark matter. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Michael Coslo wrote:
... I read the original work too, and came to much the same conclusion. I'd put more stock in zero point energy than this little experiment allowing us to get somewhere before we start. The telegraph's article is a lot more satisfying though, if incorrect. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - And just what is your Ph.D. in? I just want to know so when I quote they know I am just not quoting some guy with an opinion ... Regards, JS |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Cecil: These guys are truly amazing. It is obivious they are nit-picking in an endeavor to make you appear as an idiot; equally obvious is that, they fail every time! However, they do succeed in making complete bozos out of themselves; and, to all appearances, they show no awareness of what they have/are done/doing, how can this be possible? I mean, I know there are a lot of idiots in the world; and I know the extent of "idiot-ism" in much of the masses deserves watching and respect; but, these guys dwarf 'em (your run of the mill idiot, that is!) Whatever mental disorder these guys have, I am afraid it may be caused by rf--I am thinking of swearing off amateur radio and going wholly with the net--before it is too late! Regards, JS |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:26:46 -0700, John Smith I
wrote: an endeavor to make you appear as an idiot Odd how you choose your frame so carefully. The passive presumption is truly evocative of wish-fulfillment. Sort of like "I'll hold your coat while you beat them up" toadyist self contempt. Got any more charmers like that scribbled in your secret diary? Try reading the original text instead of relying on the Classics Comics edition if you want your indignation to bluster more than Rocky Balboa in a wheelchair. Yeah, I know this was all for my benefit. ;-0 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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John Smith I wrote:
Whatever mental disorder these guys have, I am afraid it may be caused by rf--I am thinking of swearing off amateur radio and going wholly with the net--before it is too late! If you do, please consider swearing off the the amateur radio newsgroups too while you're at it. Much appreciated. ac6xg |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message . .. Jimmie D wrote: tunneling doesnt take faster than light speed to explain, only that there are more than three dimensions to space. In some dimension the begining and end was not as far apart as the scientist thought they were. In other words you dont travel faster than light, you just take a short cut. Beam me up, Scottie, and engage at Warp 6. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com The universe is probably a lot stranger than you or I think it is. Jimmie |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:26:46 -0700, John Smith I wrote: an endeavor to make you appear as an idiot Odd how you choose your frame so carefully. The passive presumption is truly evocative of wish-fulfillment. Sort of like "I'll hold your coat while you beat them up" toadyist self contempt. Got any more charmers like that scribbled in your secret diary? Try reading the original text instead of relying on the Classics Comics edition if you want your indignation to bluster more than Rocky Balboa in a wheelchair. Yeah, I know this was all for my benefit. ;-0 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC My text is either true on not, it holds no secret knife, it is the weapon itself. I am sure some may get lost in analysis ... What I write only looks obvious to me, I simply offer my humble opinion, it is either true, or not ... the world is a much better judge than myself ... Regards, JS |
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Jim Kelley wrote:
... If you do, please consider swearing off the the amateur radio newsgroups too while you're at it. Much appreciated. ac6xg Jim: :-) JS |
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Jimmie D wrote:
The universe is probably a lot stranger than you or I think it is. Yet much less strange than some other people think it is. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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Jimmie D wrote:
... The universe is probably a lot stranger than you or I think it is. Jimmie Well said, and that ain't the half of it; a lot of amateurs are a lot stranger than I am comfortable with! :-) Regards, JS |
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Richard Clark wrote:
... 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Yanno, my first response, which preceded this one, was rather cryptic. This link embodies my meaning: http://blog.hamdems.org/archives/028648.html Now, simply think of me as the guy who cries out, "These amateurs wear NO clothes!" Regards, JS |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:58:56 -0700, John Smith I
wrote: My text is either true on not, it holds no secret knife, it is the weapon itself. Wow! Harlequin may sue you for copyright violation though. (Do they have a Quantum Electrodynamics series for young romantics you've been tipping into? Gives an entirely new spin on tunneling.) |
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Richard Clark wrote:
... Wow! Harlequin may sue you for copyright violation though. (Do they have a Quantum Electrodynamics series for young romantics you've been tipping into? Gives an entirely new spin on tunneling.) LOL! At least Harlequin doesn't reprint shakespeare! As happens quite often, I view my "crystal ball" and I must agree to disagree. To me, it is quite clear, we have only kludged together "theories" and equations which we slave with (but, are quite usable till better comes along), we use these under the burden of great errors and unsolved riddles ... to others, it may indeed appear as a finished work of art ... Regards, JS |
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Cecil Moore wrote: John Smith I wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...8/16/scispeed1 16.xml This immediately suggests possible and interesting uses in cooling/refrigeration, if this "scientific discovery" holds water ... Entangled particles may be a tunneling of sorts through space-time. It has been proved to my satisfaction that reality is non-local. can't say i fully understand it all , but i really enjoy reading these posts and at least was able to research and study this material /topics which usually leads me to stumble on other interesting /related stuff thanks all |
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John Smith I wrote:
It is obivious they are nit-picking in an endeavor to make you appear as an idiot; People who say, "Everything is already known about __________" have removed any doubt about who is the idiot. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Jimmie D wrote:
The universe is probably a lot stranger than you or I think it is. Presumably, since our "local" reality is non-local, the entire universe may be just another version of "Flatland". There seems to be a shortcut not only across space but across time (assuming time actually exists). -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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John Smith I wrote:
The universe is probably a lot stranger than you or I think it is. Well said, and that ain't the half of it; a lot of amateurs are a lot stranger than I am comfortable with! :-) What do you expect? They probably contain strange quarks. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Richard Clark wrote:
Gives an entirely new spin on tunneling. Strange quarks have a spin of -1/2 -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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John Smith I wrote:
To me, it is quite clear, we have only kludged together "theories" and equations which we slave with (but, are quite usable till better comes along), we use these under the burden of great errors and unsolved riddles ... to others, it may indeed appear as a finished work of art ... Doesn't it make complete sense for a single photon to be able to pass through two slits at once and interfere with itself on the other side? Even a Buckyball made from many carbon atoms can do the same thing. :-0 -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:39:17 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Richard Clark wrote: Gives an entirely new spin on tunneling. Strange quarks have a spin of -1/2 And Harlequin has Fabio. |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message t... Jimmie D wrote: The universe is probably a lot stranger than you or I think it is. Presumably, since our "local" reality is non-local, the entire universe may be just another version of "Flatland". There seems to be a shortcut not only across space but across time (assuming time actually exists). -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com I agree and like your flatland anaolgy. I think if we are not careful we can be as narrow-minded about the nature of the universe as those who thought the only elements were earth wind water and fire or Earth was the center of the universe. We are not that much closer to the truth than they were. Jimmie |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:24:35 -0400, "Jimmie D"
wrote: I agree and like your flatland anaolgy. I think if we are not careful we can be as narrow-minded about the nature of the universe as those who thought the only elements were earth wind water and fire or Earth was the center of the universe. We are not that much closer to the truth than they were. Hi Jimmie, Their contemporaries thought that trees could enter into their dreams and explain the mysteries of life - hence the legacy of "knock on wood" which a lot of this ersatz hero worship correspondence is so like. Let's see, a link to a National Enquirer story headlines a story about a surgeon who grafts a pig's head onto Paris Hilton, and the poster suddenly crows like a medical authority: "Amazing how Lister and Pasteur were just so many country bumpkin scientists! If Professor Christiaan Barnard was such a whiz with heart transplants, he would have done this years ago." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Richard Clark wrote:
... Let's see, a link to a National Enquirer story headlines a story about a surgeon who grafts a pig's head onto Paris Hilton, and the poster ... 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Richard: Now you have my interest! Did this alleged operation result in Paris being any more attractive to 50+ year old males, such as myself? Regards, JS |
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