On 10 Oct, 21:11, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
"'Scientific people,' proceeded the Time Traveller, after the pause
required for the proper assimilation of this, 'know very well that
Time is only a kind of Space. "

I agree. I think time, like universal expansion,
is an illusion akin to a religion. I tend to agree
with Julian Barbour in, "The End Of Time".

What we experience as a "passing-of-time event",
is only a change whose probability function has
collapsed. The past is *where* (not when) all
probability functions have collapsed. The future
is *where* (not when) no probability functions have
collapsed. Time, after all, is only a physical
dimensional *change* in the rotation of the earth
and/or in earth's orbit around the sun.

IMO, time is no more real than the Sun-God riding
his chariot across the sky every day. Any equation
that contains a time term needs to take that into
account.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I see billions of dollars will be spent on investigating 'dark matter'
and 'dark energy' and that scam takes some doing but it pales in
comparison to the original imaginative junk of Newton/Flamsteed.

You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

oriel36 wrote:
You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Don't tell Al Gore...they may take him out of the running for a Nobel...



Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.


IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png

--
Scott
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Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

Top-posting repaired.

On Oct 12, 7:17 am, Scott wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png

Don't tell Al Gore...they may take him out of the running for a Nobel...


As you no doubt know by the time you're reading this, he
got his Nobel.

And can you explain why, if we are in an ice age, the arctic
ice is melting faster than the most pessimistic models had
predicted?
http://nsidc.org/news/press/20070430_StroeveGRL.html

Don't glaciers normally advance in ice ages rather than
recede?

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/413.htm
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11064

- Randy

Randy began his post:
“ Top-posting repaired.

On Oct 12, 7:17 am, Scott wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: �.

F.Y.I. I'm constantly “ repairing � your posts
by deleting this auto-generated crap.

I can see the god-damn thread,
so why begin each of your posts with such monotonous auto-spam ?

Randy Poe wrote:
And can you explain why, if we are in an ice age, the arctic
ice is melting faster than the most pessimistic models had
predicted?

Short term variation of plus and minus 2.5 degrees
but the temperature envelope for the past 8000 years
shows a downtrend. We are not in an ice age yet
but the present ice age *cycle* began 8000 years
ago. It is possible that the greenhouse gases are
actually delaying the onset of that next ice age which
will eventually destroy America's breadbasket. Al Gore
will become one of the most ridiculed men in US history
(for the Nth time).
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Oct 11, 7:35 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
You have all the self-assurances of somebody who truly believes in
what would normally be harmless nonsense but unfortunately the same
people who believe in the junk are commenting on climate as 'experts'.

IMO, we are already into the next ice age, the global
warming temperature having peaked some 8000 years ago.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...emperature.png
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil

The world is full of opinions,it is now called the 'scientific
method'.

While it looks like there is a broad gap between the error created by
Flamsteed in 1677 and global climate concerns of the present era,the
truth is more concise,specifically this late 17th century hoax -

http://www.analemma.com/Pages/framesPage.html

Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

oriel36 wrote:
Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

How can I believe in time-travel when I don't believe
that time even exists? Some changes are reversible
and some are not. If you want to consider a reversed
change to be time travel be my guest, but I don't
buy it.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On 12 Oct, 22:48, Cecil Moore wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

How can I believe in time-travel when I don't believe
that time even exists?

Funny,funny funny !,Cecil,I like you but you are not as funny as
Albert.

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me.
That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly
persistent illusion." Albert

Strange world indeed ! and it there is not the slightest sign that
humanity has outgrown junk like that,relativity being the sympotroms
of the disease rather than the disease itself (that exists back in a
different era).





Some changes are reversible
and some are not. If you want to consider a reversed
change to be time travel be my guest, but I don't
buy it.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Buy indeed !.

Would you care to buy a container load of dark matter,I am doing a
special on it this week, $20 000 dollars a cubic foot,cash only .

Thanks Cecil for the laugh,you seem content to live in the imagination
of others and especially the astrological framework of Flamsteed/
Newton so as long as you are happy then that is all that counts.

On Oct 12, 11:44 am, oriel36 wrote:
Ah,who am I kidding,you are into warped space.time travel ect and who
knows what else.

ect?

http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+time-travel

Size and farness in spase are the same entity; there is no matter
without them. So warped size is the same as one component of warped
matter, in the potential-span relations.