On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²

To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:43:25 -0800, art wrote:

On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²

To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.

Sounds like you should discuss those personal issues with your
chaplain and stick to technical topics quoted above. This isn't
rec.radio.ann.landers.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On 7 Nov, 12:43, art wrote:
On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:





On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²

To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So Radio hams, professional and amateur. Does distributed store
energy like other capacitors or is it an animal by another name?
Does it store photons for later distribution of radiation?
Do photons eat the electrons while they are being stored by the
capacitor
Do the electrons jump up and down because they know an inductance is
ahead?
These questions are very important in determining what radiation is
all about.
And yes I hear waves are often mentioned. Is this the three
dimensional
wave that is created in the pond when the static particles fall off
the antenna
in a circular type pattern? Antenna books say the pattern is a figure
eight!
How can that be? When the energy removes itself from distributed
capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out
as if the movie in the capacitor is over? Last of all has anybody seen
a photon
and photographed it? I suppose if you believe in ghosts then you could
well
believe in photons that float in the night. You can't see them but
there
really is a chill in the air. So back to the original question,
What does distributed capacitance do with the oncomming sino soidal
wave?
Does it let it through unharmed so that we have a time varience that
is needed
for radiation per the radio books?
Art

"art" wrote
Antenna books say the pattern is a figure eight! How can that be?
When the energy removes itself from distributed capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out as if the movie in the capacitor is over?
_________

Your intuitive theories may not support this, Arthur, but haven't you
noticed that your linear, dipole antennas (whether "short" or 1/2-wave)
transmit and receive very poorly in the directions of their longitudinal
axis? In fact, radio direction finders make use of this proven reality of
radiation physics.

How do you explain this, if you believe that the radiation pattern/gain of a
dipole is not very low in those directions, as in the nulls of a figure 8,
and as easily measured for these antenna configurations on a good test
range?

Please post your supporting math(s).

RF

On 7 Nov, 15:33, "Richard Fry" wrote:
"art" wrote Antenna books say the pattern is a figure eight! How can that be?
When the energy removes itself from distributed capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out as if the movie in the capacitor is over?

_________

Your intuitive theories may not support this, Arthur, but haven't you
noticed that your linear, dipole antennas (whether "short" or 1/2-wave)
transmit and receive very poorly in the directions of their longitudinal
axis? In fact, radio direction finders make use of this proven reality of
radiation physics.

How do you explain this, if you believe that the radiation pattern/gain of a
dipole is not very low in those directions, as in the nulls of a figure 8,
and as easily measured for these antenna configurations on a good test
range?

Please post your supporting math(s).

RF

Ofcourse there is no radiation off the ends. What ever is sitting on
the antenna
can only fall off one side or the other. As far as the math goes you
are not
conversant enough with math to get involved. You could redeem your
self by
pointing out the deliberate mistake made by Dr John E Davis and become
an overnight
guru. Just think up another lie nobody will challenge you!
Art

"art"
Of course there is no radiation off the ends. What ever is sitting on
the antenna can only fall off one side or the other.
_____________

Not that I agree with your theory of why this happens, but note that you
have now acknowledged a condition that you had disputed just a bit less than
3 hours earlier in this thread.

Quoting from that post of yours, "Antenna books say the pattern is a figure
eight! How can that be?"

RF

On 8 Nov, 06:58, "Richard Fry" wrote:
"art" Of course there is no radiation off the ends. What ever is sitting on
the antenna can only fall off one side or the other.

_____________

Not that I agree with your theory of why this happens, but note that you
have now acknowledged a condition that you had disputed just a bit less than
3 hours earlier in this thread.

Quoting from that post of yours, "Antenna books say the pattern is a figure
eight! How can that be?"

RF

No. I asked a question as to how that can be To which I later
theorised that
one can have "sliding" electrons as well as those that are pushed over
board.
The matter of "sliding" comes into play when you have a tipping force
to
overcome the tenacity of inertia in the face of a moving fulcrum.
But when you get down to the mathematical analysis it becomes obvious
that the summation of all vectors involved with radiation produces a
vector that does not align with the radiating axis which reinforces
the notion of "sliding electrons" or should I say sliding staic or
passive particles?
Still waiting for you to point to the error in Dr Davis's mathematics
such that the existing radiation theory can stay intact !.
I would point out that all computor programs on radiation show that
for maximising radiation of a particular polarity the summation
vector of all vectors involved with radiation is different to that
of the axis of the radiator which forces a shift in parallelism
to the earth's surface. This is an evolution of Gaussian law
which provides further insight to the laws of Maxwell who somehow
overlooked the connection between dynamic and static forces.
If the Gaussian mathematics is at fault then by logic all
computor programs must be suspect.
The tipping point is that computor programs ingnored a condition
that must be imposed if one is to view Maxwells collections
as a series of laws. It was this error which lead to viewing
the sino soidal shape of electrical current as constituting
the time varience required per Lorentz and others for the
production of radiation where as the time varience factor
is that obtained by the time constant of energy release of
distributed inductance and capacitance. The saving grace for
computor programing was its adherrence to the conservation
of energy theorem, energy in equals energy out which is
basically what the leanings of Gauss was.
Sowith elements that are resonant olone and in their entirety in a
array
produces a smaller array than that for a planar array such as a yagi.
On top of the reduction of element spacings it allows for helices
or the action of "slow waves" to reduce the htree dimensions of
freedom for any array down to a size of a half wave per side
noting at the same time one has only to feed one element and
yet gain the aperature presented by a stack of beams with
separate feed points
So I believe it behooves all to reexamine the mathematics
because if they are correct thben the rewards are humoungua.
Or play with your computor programs with non planar
radiating elements
Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg

"art" wrote
No. I asked a question as to how that can be To which I later
theorised etc etc
___________

That was an interesting read. I suggest you send your work to the
IEEE to see what they make of it. If it all goes your way, you will
have earned parity with all the "masters" you refer to so frequently.

RF

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:23 -0800, art wrote:

On 7 Nov, 12:43, art wrote:
On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:





On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²

To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So Radio hams, professional and amateur. Does distributed store
energy like other capacitors or is it an animal by another name?
Does it store photons for later distribution of radiation?
Do photons eat the electrons while they are being stored by the
capacitor
Do the electrons jump up and down because they know an inductance is
ahead?
These questions are very important in determining what radiation is
all about.
And yes I hear waves are often mentioned. Is this the three
dimensional
wave that is created in the pond when the static particles fall off
the antenna
in a circular type pattern? Antenna books say the pattern is a figure
eight!
How can that be? When the energy removes itself from distributed
capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out
as if the movie in the capacitor is over? Last of all has anybody seen
a photon
and photographed it? I suppose if you believe in ghosts then you could
well
believe in photons that float in the night. You can't see them but
there
really is a chill in the air. So back to the original question,
What does distributed capacitance do with the oncomming sino soidal
wave?
Does it let it through unharmed so that we have a time varience that
is needed
for radiation per the radio books?
Art

Art, I suggested a few weeks ago that you could make a killing in writing humorous lines for either Jay Leno
or Dave Letterman. But I guess you had no luck finding an opening in the field.

Ah, but Art, are you aware of the writers' strike now ongoing? Those writers are on strike, so what are Leno
and Letterman going to do without 'em? They're going to go insane trying to come up on their own with the
funny stuff they normally get from their writers. So there's yer chance, Art, go fer it! Yer all geared up fer
it as demonstrated in yer writings in the threads here on rraa. Don't miss this golden opportunity! We'll all
be listening as Leno and Letterman read yer jewels.

Walt, W2DU

On 7 Nov, 19:16, Walter Maxwell wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:23 -0800, art wrote:
On 7 Nov, 12:43, art wrote:
On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²

To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So Radio hams, professional and amateur. Does distributed store
energy like other capacitors or is it an animal by another name?
Does it store photons for later distribution of radiation?
Do photons eat the electrons while they are being stored by the
capacitor
Do the electrons jump up and down because they know an inductance is
ahead?
These questions are very important in determining what radiation is
all about.
And yes I hear waves are often mentioned. Is this the three
dimensional
wave that is created in the pond when the static particles fall off
the antenna
in a circular type pattern? Antenna books say the pattern is a figure
eight!
How can that be? When the energy removes itself from distributed
capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out
as if the movie in the capacitor is over? Last of all has anybody seen
a photon
and photographed it? I suppose if you believe in ghosts then you could
well
believe in photons that float in the night. You can't see them but
there
really is a chill in the air. So back to the original question,
What does distributed capacitance do with the oncomming sino soidal
wave?
Does it let it through unharmed so that we have a time varience that
is needed
for radiation per the radio books?
Art

Art, I suggested a few weeks ago that you could make a killing in writing humorous lines for either Jay Leno
or Dave Letterman. But I guess you had no luck finding an opening in the field.

Ah, but Art, are you aware of the writers' strike now ongoing? Those writers are on strike, so what are Leno
and Letterman going to do without 'em? They're going to go insane trying to come up on their own with the
funny stuff they normally get from their writers. So there's yer chance, Art, go fer it! Yer all geared up fer
it as demonstrated in yer writings in the threads here on rraa. Don't miss this golden opportunity! We'll all
be listening as Leno and Letterman read yer jewels.

Walt, W2DU- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gee Walter don'tyou consider yourself lucky to have got out of
hospital or what ever it was to get asylum.
Why don't YOU write a book and send it to Leno? Ofcourse like other
people they wont believe it
and look at it like a joke. Call it Reflections #4 1/2 that should get
a laugh
By the way stop that heavy drinking otherwise that asylum will be
beckoning you again and you will have to deal with those elephant
droppings again.
Art