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art November 7th 07 06:56 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
How does distributed capacitance harvest the energy given
in sino soidal form and later release it in the same form
that it was harvested in?
Same question, but now look at distributed inductance and
how that works!
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant but
the books don't tell me.about the other things!
Like the time constant of distributed capacitance
Art


Richard Clark November 7th 07 07:33 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:56:13 -0800, art wrote:

Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant


What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

art November 7th 07 07:51 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On 7 Nov, 11:33, Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:56:13 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant


What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?


Go away Richard. You never answer questions you only jeer people.
If you don't answer the Wood question directly instead of
going all over the place I will have to let your posts slip by me
You can always start your own posts you know instead of
looking for somebody to jeer at! That would be a good way
of establishing relationships with like wise thinking
people to replace that guy in S America
Art


Richard Clark November 7th 07 08:27 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant

What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

Go away Richard. You never answer questions


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics

Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²


To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

art November 7th 07 08:43 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

Go away Richard. You never answer questions


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics

Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²


To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.


Richard Clark November 7th 07 10:23 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:43:25 -0800, art wrote:

On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²


To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.


Sounds like you should discuss those personal issues with your
chaplain and stick to technical topics quoted above. This isn't
rec.radio.ann.landers.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

art November 7th 07 10:38 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On 7 Nov, 12:43, art wrote:
On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:





On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²


To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?


73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


So Radio hams, professional and amateur. Does distributed store
energy like other capacitors or is it an animal by another name?
Does it store photons for later distribution of radiation?
Do photons eat the electrons while they are being stored by the
capacitor
Do the electrons jump up and down because they know an inductance is
ahead?
These questions are very important in determining what radiation is
all about.
And yes I hear waves are often mentioned. Is this the three
dimensional
wave that is created in the pond when the static particles fall off
the antenna
in a circular type pattern? Antenna books say the pattern is a figure
eight!
How can that be? When the energy removes itself from distributed
capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out
as if the movie in the capacitor is over? Last of all has anybody seen
a photon
and photographed it? I suppose if you believe in ghosts then you could
well
believe in photons that float in the night. You can't see them but
there
really is a chill in the air. So back to the original question,
What does distributed capacitance do with the oncomming sino soidal
wave?
Does it let it through unharmed so that we have a time varience that
is needed
for radiation per the radio books?
Art


Richard Fry November 7th 07 11:33 PM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
"art" wrote
Antenna books say the pattern is a figure eight! How can that be?
When the energy removes itself from distributed capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out as if the movie in the capacitor is over?

_________

Your intuitive theories may not support this, Arthur, but haven't you
noticed that your linear, dipole antennas (whether "short" or 1/2-wave)
transmit and receive very poorly in the directions of their longitudinal
axis? In fact, radio direction finders make use of this proven reality of
radiation physics.

How do you explain this, if you believe that the radiation pattern/gain of a
dipole is not very low in those directions, as in the nulls of a figure 8,
and as easily measured for these antenna configurations on a good test
range?

Please post your supporting math(s).

RF


art November 8th 07 01:21 AM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On 7 Nov, 15:33, "Richard Fry" wrote:
"art" wrote Antenna books say the pattern is a figure eight! How can that be?
When the energy removes itself from distributed capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out as if the movie in the capacitor is over?


_________

Your intuitive theories may not support this, Arthur, but haven't you
noticed that your linear, dipole antennas (whether "short" or 1/2-wave)
transmit and receive very poorly in the directions of their longitudinal
axis? In fact, radio direction finders make use of this proven reality of
radiation physics.

How do you explain this, if you believe that the radiation pattern/gain of a
dipole is not very low in those directions, as in the nulls of a figure 8,
and as easily measured for these antenna configurations on a good test
range?

Please post your supporting math(s).

RF


Ofcourse there is no radiation off the ends. What ever is sitting on
the antenna
can only fall off one side or the other. As far as the math goes you
are not
conversant enough with math to get involved. You could redeem your
self by
pointing out the deliberate mistake made by Dr John E Davis and become
an overnight
guru. Just think up another lie nobody will challenge you!
Art


Walter Maxwell November 8th 07 03:16 AM

Distributed capacitance and antennas
 
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:23 -0800, art wrote:

On 7 Nov, 12:43, art wrote:
On 7 Nov, 12:27, Richard Clark wrote:





On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:51:33 -0800, art wrote:
Distributed resistance is easy, it changes the energy to heat,
stores it and releases it according to its time constant
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?
Go away Richard. You never answer questions


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:12:15 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:38 -0800, art wrote:
Shorten your post and just type one line. I Richard, can show the error of your mathematics
Rr = 80 · pi² · (length/wavelength)²


To my one line answer to your question, as you asked, you promised to
show the error of my math (found in your copy of J&J)
and
What is the time constant of 50 Ohms?


73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Richard stop badgering me I am straight and have a family.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


So Radio hams, professional and amateur. Does distributed store
energy like other capacitors or is it an animal by another name?
Does it store photons for later distribution of radiation?
Do photons eat the electrons while they are being stored by the
capacitor
Do the electrons jump up and down because they know an inductance is
ahead?
These questions are very important in determining what radiation is
all about.
And yes I hear waves are often mentioned. Is this the three
dimensional
wave that is created in the pond when the static particles fall off
the antenna
in a circular type pattern? Antenna books say the pattern is a figure
eight!
How can that be? When the energy removes itself from distributed
capacitance
do the photon march along the antenna in an orderly fashion? or do
they rush out
as if the movie in the capacitor is over? Last of all has anybody seen
a photon
and photographed it? I suppose if you believe in ghosts then you could
well
believe in photons that float in the night. You can't see them but
there
really is a chill in the air. So back to the original question,
What does distributed capacitance do with the oncomming sino soidal
wave?
Does it let it through unharmed so that we have a time varience that
is needed
for radiation per the radio books?
Art


Art, I suggested a few weeks ago that you could make a killing in writing humorous lines for either Jay Leno
or Dave Letterman. But I guess you had no luck finding an opening in the field.

Ah, but Art, are you aware of the writers' strike now ongoing? Those writers are on strike, so what are Leno
and Letterman going to do without 'em? They're going to go insane trying to come up on their own with the
funny stuff they normally get from their writers. So there's yer chance, Art, go fer it! Yer all geared up fer
it as demonstrated in yer writings in the threads here on rraa. Don't miss this golden opportunity! We'll all
be listening as Leno and Letterman read yer jewels.

Walt, W2DU


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