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Inverted VEE Yagi antenna
I am seeking opinions as to the performance of such an antenna The opinion is it will be a great antenna. The modeling facts a It will give you approx. 11 dbi gain, and 13 db f/b. It will have a feedpoint Z at resonance (7.025 MHz) of 33.3+j0. The gain will vary from 11.24 dbi at 7 MHz to10.2 at 7.2 The f/b will vary from 12 db at 7 MHz to 9 at 7.2 (peaking at 13.6 db at 7.05 MHz) The feedpoint Z will vary from 30-j6 at 7 MHz to 50+j33 at 7.2 The parameters of this particular antenna a ht above ground 23 meters Length of one side of driven ele = 10.3 meters Length of reflector = 10.66 m spacing = 6.7 m angle between legs=120 degrees There are of course hundreds (no, thousands) of different combinations of these parameters that will give different performance characteristics. This one is not necessarily optimized for any particular objective.but it is close to what you said you want to build. Naturally I highly recommend that you model your own antenna and see what changes affect what !! I'd be happy to give you my 4NEC2 file that I used to determine the above. It and the program are free. It would be a great starting point for you. Interesting observation - I have made similar trial runs for others who have inquired on this newsgrouop, and the tower reflector, and always offer to send my file and offer to help get them started in modeling (10-20 minutes on the phone with both of us looking at the same data in the program). To date no one has either acknowledged my postings or accepted my offer!! Is modeling that intimidating? I learned what little I know by hacking around for hours. I could teach someone what I know in 10 minues if they were interested and computer literate, short circuiting many hours off the learning curve. Modeling is fascinating. All the tradeoffs that Roy just aluded to can be studied easily on your own PC without taking the word of others. You can change the angle, the height, the ground under, the dimensions,the size of wire, the spacing. You can examine the gain, f/b, pattern, imedances, takeoff angle, bandwidth. And I will GIVE you the simple little file that you load into your own free copy of the modeling program that allows you to do all of this. Rick K2XT |
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Inverted VEE Yagi antenna
Rick wrote:
I am seeking opinions as to the performance of such an antenna The opinion is it will be a great antenna. The modeling facts a It will give you approx. 11 dbi gain, and 13 db f/b. It will have a feedpoint Z at resonance (7.025 MHz) of 33.3+j0. The gain will vary from 11.24 dbi at 7 MHz to10.2 at 7.2 . . . Try deleting the parasitic element and see what the gain of just the driven element is. The difference between this and the Yagi gain is the gain relative to a single element at the same height. This is a more meaningful measure of gain than dBi for this application. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:54:14 -0800, Roy Lewallen wrote:
Try deleting the parasitic element and see what the gain of just the driven element is. Ok, I did. The gain at 7 MHz went from 11.2 to 7.22 dbi, at 30 degrees elevation angle. Rick K2XT |
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On Nov 13, 8:05 am, (Rick) wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:54:14 -0800, Roy Lewallen wrote: Try deleting the parasitic element and see what the gain of just the driven element is. Ok, I did. The gain at 7 MHz went from 11.2 to 7.22 dbi, at 30 degrees elevation angle. Rick K2XT That seems more reasonable... Heck, a NBS yagi with 3 elements only gives about 9.4 dbi plus or minus. MK |
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On Nov 13, 5:16 pm, Roy Lewallen wrote:
That's the gain of an NBS Yagi in free space. It's more like 13 or so over ground, depending on height and ground characteristics. Comparing the gain of one antenna over ground to another (for example a dipole) in free space is a trick often used by antenna manufacturers to fool naive people. Both must be in the same environment for a comparison to be meaningful. Roy Lewallen, W7EL I missed the part where he said it was modeled 23 m over ground.. But then you have to wonder about the ground quality used. Thats why I always quote antenna gain using free space numbers.. I often forget that some people don't always do this... :-/ Gives a level playing field that works for anyone no matter where they are. I never quote gain numbers including ground effects unless I specifically mention it due to some reason. And thats very rare. So I tend to constantly think in terms of free space gain most of the time if I'm thinking or talking about antennas not mounted in any specific location. One can always add the effects of ground themselves if they desire that for their local QTH. MK |
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