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Mike Kaliski wrote:
Hi Roy, He does mention that antennas possess radiation resistance, not to be confused with and not the same as, characteristic impedence (or feedpoint impedence) and that the characteristic impedence will vary along an antennas length. As for the actual point(s) along an element at which an antenna radiates (transfers energy to free space) with maximum efficiency, he makes no comment. I seriously doubt that there is anything in the article that you would dispute. It seems that everyone was so busy laughing on this newsgroup, that no one has actually provided any information as to whether any detailed research has ever been carried out as to what is going on within the radiating elements of an antenna. There is loads of theory in the text books, but I have yet to see any empirical measurements or results. If you haven't seen any measurements or results, you haven't looked in any of the professional publications over the past hundred years or so. There have been a great number of measurements of antennas made. Of those, none to my knowledge have ever definitively shown results other than the textbook theory predicts. That's pretty good confirmation of the current theory. If there is merit to alternative theories, they should predict exactly (or at least within the most precise measurement capabilities we have) the same results as the current textbook theories, because those theories agree closely with measurement. That means the alternative theories must come with equations which can be used to predict antenna performance as well as what we use now with great success. Vague hand-waving is adequate to convince a certain number of rraa readers, but it doesn't go far with those of us who actually design antennas that have to work. . . . I may have submitted the post, tongue in cheek, to stir things up a bit, but on reflection there seems to be something of merit in the idea. I am revisiting the appropriate chapters in Kraus and Terman to see where the error in my logic is. In the absence of any direct evidence of contradiction, I think it may be worth developing this idea and making a few measurements of my own to see what the truth of the matter is. There's a real problem here. Making even half decent measurements of antennas is an extremely difficult undertaking. People without the proper equipment, experience, and knowledge of tolerances to be expected frequently make poor measurements and draw erroneous conclusions from them. Before you get too involved, I suggest starting with a dipole, loop, or some other very simple, well understood, and well documented antenna and see just how good your measurement methods are. If you can't do those simple antennas properly, then any other measurements you make shouldn't be trusted. And those are the easiest ones. If you want a real challenge, try a very short antenna. Just keeping the feedline from being part of the system can be a nearly insurmountable task, and measuring a very small resistance in the presence of a very large reactance isn't easy either. Unless you can deal with these and other measurement realities, your measurements might be fun, but they won't mean anything. You can publish on rraa and draw a certain number of oohs and ahs, but it won't be material for the IEE or IEEE -- not because they're contradicting conventional theory, but because they're not representative of reality. Amateur radio is supposed to be a learning experience, right? And you can't learn without making mistakes. After 40 years of following the diktats of professional communications and electronic theory, I think the time is right to kick off the traces and challenge some of the accepted authodoxies. I do know all the conventional stuff, it just doesn't satisfy my soul. Have you considered religion? The rules of evidence are much more relaxed in that environment, so alternative theories are more readily accepted. Just look at the proliferation of denominations. There's always room for a few more. You probably know more about antennas than anyone has a right to know Roy, but it's a strange universe out there and it's just possible that there's a few more things to learn yet. Indeed there are. When you have an alternative theory that agrees as closely with measured results as the current ones, and which can be used to predict antenna performance, I'd like to be among the first to read your paper and benefit. Shoot, I might even incorporate the equations into EZNEC to make it even more accurate than it is now. I'm a member of the IEEE Antennas and Propagation, Broadcast, and EMC societies, so I'll see any papers published in those journals. And I can easily get papers published by the IEE or other societies. Have at it! Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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