Cecil Moore wrote:

...
But since W8JI's measurements are NOT "supported by the
underlying principles", by your own assertions, he indeed
seems to be "shouting it at cars" on his web page. I am
merely objecting to a technical absurdity, e.g. a 3 nS
delay through a foot long loading coil. The standing-
wave current phase shift through a coil bears no
relationship to the delay through a coil.

Cecil:

Let's get real, principals above personalties ...

I don't know W8JI; from his pages, he seems alright. We all make
mistakes--that does not lessen us--I know you agree at some level ...

I have always looked at the lag of an inductance in degrees, the lead of
capacitance the same (when it comes to lump sums like antennas) ... I am
learning (a mindset on a certain model can limit one.) When someone
introduces the spinning of earth and its' rotation around the sun into
antenna formulas--I am always perplexed--such has NOTHING to do with
what is real in RF. Frankly, the importance of where your mind is at is
just beginning to hit home here.

If the earth/sun/solar-system did not exist--all would still be the same
.... this I KNOW.

There is SOMETHING we are ALL missing ... but, I do listen to your
arguments, I admit--I have a hard time following you--but then, you help
keeping me outta the bars and from fallen womens arms ;-) Your
argument(s) are based, somewhere, near the bone of the beast--well, I
think. Others are missing the core of this ...

Warm regards,
JS