On 1 Dec, 10:28, Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:51:39 -0800 (PST), art
wrote:

O.k.Now you have that off your chest the way is clear for you to point
out the errors and what is needed to correct them.

Hi Arthur,

If you read postings, you would have seen that several times.

For goodness sake, respond to Dan

You wouldn't know his name if I hadn't already responded many times!
Please, do pay attention. ;-)

Your weak appeal reminds me of a moment in "How Green Was My Valley"
(one of those stories set in that land you left and written by a
nemesis Richard Llewellyn) where Cyfartha urges Dai Bando into a
fight, but doesn't want to risk a punch to his own nose:
"Tis a coward I am. But I will hold your coat."

You pick a very poor place to talk about cowardice!
At that time Mr Kennedy Snr stated that islands of Britain
could not possibly stave off the armies that had overun Europe
So it was decided to film 'How green is my valley' in California
in its entirety, staving off any possibility of having to take
on the Nazis as Churchill called them. Fortunately the US was
willing to hold on to our coats
Art Unwin KB9MZ....xg (uk)
snip

Marques of Queensberry... And happy I am to pass on my knowledge to
you. "

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:56:55 -0800 (PST), art
wrote:

You pick a very poor place to talk about cowardice!
At that time Mr Kennedy Snr stated that islands of Britain
could not possibly stave off the armies that had overun Europe

Hi Arthur,

This week in class I learned from Ambassador Thomas Graham that
Hitler's second in command came to England and asked Neville
Chamberlain to reject Hitler's conditions for moving into
Czechoslovakia. He informed Chamberlain that the German High Command
was ready to topple Hitler if England showed strength.

We all know the rest of the story....

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
"This week in class I learned from Ambassador Thomas Graham that
Hitler`s second in command came to England and asked Neville Chamberlain
to reject Hitler`s conditions for moving into Czechoslovakia.

That`s shocking! The Munich surrender followed, if my memory is correct,
and almost the whole world world knew that it would not result in peace
in our times! To speculate that the German high cpmmand was ready to
dump Hitler if only England were ready to show some spine! Didn`t
Chamberlain have others in the British Government to consult with?
History repeats. Surely Bush should have looked farther for consultation
before invading Iraq with so little support.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
...
Richard Clark wrote:
"This week in class I learned from Ambassador Thomas Graham that
Hitler`s second in command came to England and asked Neville Chamberlain
to reject Hitler`s conditions for moving into Czechoslovakia.

That`s shocking! The Munich surrender followed, if my memory is correct,
and almost the whole world world knew that it would not result in peace
in our times! To speculate that the German high cpmmand was ready to
dump Hitler if only England were ready to show some spine! Didn`t
Chamberlain have others in the British Government to consult with?
History repeats. Surely Bush should have looked farther for consultation
before invading Iraq with so little support.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Usually covered up or glossed over, but Hitler and the Nazis had a lot of
supporters in the British government and ruling heirarchy at the time. Don't
forget the British royal family is of German origin. In the absence of the
treaty with Poland, which rather forced Britain into war against Germany,
Britain and Germany might possibly have combined forces and ruled over all
of Europe 60 years earlier than they do now. :-)

Mike G0ULI

On 1 Dec, 12:44, Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:56:55 -0800 (PST), art
wrote:

You pick a very poor place to talk about cowardice!
At that time Mr Kennedy Snr stated that islands of Britain
could not possibly stave off the armies that had overun Europe

Hi Arthur,

This week in class I learned from Ambassador Thomas Graham that
Hitler's second in command came to England and asked Neville
Chamberlain to reject Hitler's conditions for moving into
Czechoslovakia. He informed Chamberlain that the German High Command
was ready to topple Hitler if England showed strength.

We all know the rest of the story....

Yup. He was found to be insane and put in the Tower.
Germany did not want interference by Gt Britain.
In September 3rd 1939 Gt Britain was alone in
declaring war against Germanies gigantic armies.
That is what you have to do if you are the Worlds
policeman. Doing what is right regardless of the consequences
Pity the U.S. is unable to do the same.
Think how many countries the US government has
invaded since they took on the job and it looks
like there is more to come. Freedom fighters from
all over the World knew that there was a place to
go for the defence of freedom,and they came and
joined with us. Front and centre were the Polish
fighters with out which the British homeland
was in danger.The American ambassador fled to
home soil while the King and Queen stayed put.
It was a couple of years before the U.S. had
to join the fray and there was a Country still
there that they could join to carry on the fight.
It wasn't easy during those times but the British
held fast and resolute.
And nobody can take those proud times away that away.

Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG (uk)




73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:49:44 -0800 (PST), art
wrote:

Yup. He was found to be insane and put in the Tower.

You must've burnt your history books when you left. This is not a
reference about Heß (do you really believe he was going to lead a
Putsch against Hitler?). Rudolph Heß parachuted into Scotland 2 years
after Chamberlain returned from Munich.

Germany did not want interference by Gt Britain.
Hitler and the Nazi party didn't, certainly. Reasonable (not insane)
Germans went to Chamberlain for support.

Iran came to us in 2003 ready to abandon their nuclear program, we
have our own Chamberlains that decided that we weren't going to
negotiate that. The same Chamberlains abandoned the North Korean
protocols of 1993 to de-nuclearize; after 7 years, and one bomb test,
they have since decided to write up new treaties for less guarantees.
Our Chamberlains were informed by India that they were going to ramp
up their nuclear program, our Chamberlains asked if we could help.
There are several countries in the world that, with existing
stockpiles, are only weeks away from deliverable munitions. They are
watching our power evaporate. Our Chamberlains shrug their shoulders
in the standard Munich salute: "Learn to live with it" as Rummy would
say.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Art wrote:
"He was found to be insane and put in the tower."

Rudolph Hess was thought to be insane and put away for life after
piloting an aircraft to London. I had never heard that Hess was a
messenger from the German High Command. Considering the message, he
should have been respected.

Ambassador Joe Kennedy`s assessment wasn`t far off the mark. Without
massive foreign help, Hitler`s disregard of his general staff, and his
premature panic attack of the Soviet Union, when his forces were already
fully occupied, the Battle of Brittain would have been lost by the
British. The apes on Gibralter and the crows in the Tower of London
would have been of little help. Hitler`s forces had excellent training
and equipment. They were also accustomed to winning and quickly too.

Thankfully, Hitler made mistakes which doomed his enterprise.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On 1 Dec, 18:03, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote:

"He was found to be insane and put in the tower."

Rudolph Hess was thought to be insane and put away for life after
piloting an aircraft to London. I had never heard that Hess was a
messenger from the German High Command. Considering the message, he
should have been respected.

Ambassador Joe Kennedy`s assessment wasn`t far off the mark. Without
massive foreign help, Hitler`s disregard of his general staff, and his
premature panic attack of the Soviet Union, when his forces were already
fully occupied, the Battle of Britain would have been lost by the
British.

From a vantage point afar from danger you under estimate the British.
You would have all surrender without a fight? Your admiration of the
german army in its quest to deny freedom to the masses is certainly
a shock to me. You have lost all respect by thumbing your nose
at those who gave of their lives for the cause of freedom while
others stood by aloof. Not once did I see a mustang in the air
as the luftwaffe excersed their might during those early years.
In fact, I did not see one plane from the army air force during
those years,only hurricains and spitfires. But I am glad the U.K.
was free and able to supply landing space when the enemy turned
its eyes away from our shores and thus dashed your hopes.
The enemy airforce by that time had become just a shadow of it's
former
self when the battle of Britain was decided leaving them nothing to
provide a blitzcreeg prior to any advance that had proved succesful
before. To cross the English channel in a time of war
has never been easy no matter which direction one is travelling,
history proves that.



The apes on Gibralter and the crows in the Tower of London
would have been of little help. Hitler`s forces had excellent training
and equipment. They were also accustomed to winning and quickly too.

Were you wearing a uniform supplied by Germany at that time?



Thankfully, Hitler made mistakes which doomed his enterprise.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Art wrote:
"Were you wearing a uniform supplied by Germany at that time?"

Fortunately not. I was wearing a uniform supplied by the U.S. Navy in
the Pacific theater at that time.

We had no choice when attacked by the Japanese. The U.S. had interrupted
oil to Japan to try to curb their agression and they responded with an
attack on Pearl Harbor.

The English proved their grit during the Battle of Britain. But, it
would have been lost had not lend-lease been provided by the U.S.A.

Even Hermann Goering gave slight praise to British industry when asked
if he needed something else for his Luftwaffe and he replied: "A couple
of Spitfire squadrons would be very nice."

The Luftwaffe`s failure to gain control of the skies during the Battle
of Britain was Hitler`s first defeat and it stained Goering`s
reputation.

Hermann`s nephew was raised in Salt Lake City and commisioned a Captain
in the U.S. Army Airforce where he was considered a uniquely qualified
B-17 pilot assigned to the 303rd Bombardment Group (Hell`s Angels) of
the 8th Air Force based in Molesworth, England, flying missions against
Nazi Germany.
His name was Werner G. Goering. Remember that Eisenhower said that at
least 1/3 of his forces were of German descent. The only mission Werner
was not eager to perform was when he had to bomb Cologne where his
grandmother lived. Hermann`s younger brother, Albert Goering was notable
for helping Jews and other dissidents survive in Germany throughout the
war. He sometimes called upon Herman and received help in this
idealogical problem.

Mostly war is bad sttuff no matter which side you are on. One of my
predecessors, named Harrison signed the Declaration of Independance and
lost his fortune as a result.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

art wrote:
On 1 Dec, 12:44, Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:56:55 -0800 (PST), art
wrote:

You pick a very poor place to talk about cowardice!
At that time Mr Kennedy Snr stated that islands of Britain
could not possibly stave off the armies that had overun Europe
Hi Arthur,

This week in class I learned from Ambassador Thomas Graham that
Hitler's second in command came to England and asked Neville
Chamberlain to reject Hitler's conditions for moving into
Czechoslovakia. He informed Chamberlain that the German High Command
was ready to topple Hitler if England showed strength.

We all know the rest of the story....

Yup. He was found to be insane and put in the Tower.
Germany did not want interference by Gt Britain.
In September 3rd 1939 Gt Britain was alone in
declaring war against Germanies gigantic armies.
That is what you have to do if you are the Worlds
policeman. Doing what is right regardless of the consequences
Pity the U.S. is unable to do the same.
Think how many countries the US government has
invaded since they took on the job and it looks
like there is more to come. Freedom fighters from
all over the World knew that there was a place to
go for the defence of freedom,and they came and
joined with us. Front and centre were the Polish
fighters with out which the British homeland
was in danger.The American ambassador fled to
home soil while the King and Queen stayed put.
It was a couple of years before the U.S. had
to join the fray and there was a Country still
there that they could join to carry on the fight.
It wasn't easy during those times but the British
held fast and resolute.
And nobody can take those proud times away that away.

Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG (uk)

Art,

You are a historical revisionist.

Dave K8MN