On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:00:06 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
What voltages did they present to the O'scope?

Sorry, I don't remember and can't find my
lab notebook at the moment.
How much power was applied to the network?

Richard Clark wrote:
How much power was applied to the network?

The minimum that my IC-756PRO would deliver,
probably around five watts. The exact power
did not need to be known in order to obtain
the phase measurements.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:29 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
How much power was applied to the network?

The minimum that my IC-756PRO would deliver,
probably around five watts. The exact power
did not need to be known in order to obtain
the phase measurements.
1W? 5W? 10W?

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:29 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
How much power was applied to the network?
The minimum that my IC-756PRO would deliver,
probably around five watts. The exact power
did not need to be known in order to obtain
the phase measurements.
1W? 5W? 10W?

Sorry, your 20 questions are up.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:18:34 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:29 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
How much power was applied to the network?
The minimum that my IC-756PRO would deliver,
probably around five watts. The exact power
did not need to be known in order to obtain
the phase measurements.
1W? 5W? 10W?

Sorry, your 20 questions are up.

OK, so you will not adequately support your claim for measurement. On
the basis of what has been revealed, however, it shows absolutely no
evidence of transmission line behavior.

Surprising enough, the sum of those details disclosed comes close to
validating Tom's measurement! Sort of a win-win outcome. ;-)

I can see how your "plausible deniability" could be part of the
Administration's white paper on the Iranian threat.

Interviewer:
"Do you really see World War 3 and mushroom clouds Mr. President?"
the Texan responds:
Sorry, your 20 questions are up.

Should we try again to see if you, like that other Texan, has a second
chance at a legacy?

1W? 5W? 10W?

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:54:38 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

Should we try again to see if you, like that other Texan, has a second
chance at a legacy?

1W? 5W? 10W?

Let's just skip this last, 5W is enough, and suggest you proceed to
the other lingering question. It may seem tedious, but it is the work
of measurement and validation. If you are not interested in valid
data, there was no point in buying that scope, much less plugging a
circuit into it. One has to imagine that you probably haven't had it
calibrated - but even there I would accept it conformed to spec and
you would still be treading water.

The risk you run in answering these questions is in your responses
revealing failure. We have already passed that milepost sometime ago,
all that remains is to find out if you drove through the sign saying
the bridge was washed out.

It would be intriguing to discover how your rig drove 5W through the
coil to a 48:1 mismatch. I can well imagine that the insane load
detector limited you to 5W, but the detected levels must have been in
the microvolts (hard to measure phase shift in the trace bloom).

However, these details are lost in the mist of memory, or perhaps you
would pull on our heart-strings about crippling arthritis with
dragging those "notebooks" open to that page only to suffer through
the tears of your poor vision. You might consider digitizing
everything so it is searchable, and enjoy the benefits of browsers
that are tailored for the impaired.

Richard Clark wrote:
It would be intriguing to discover how your rig drove 5W through the
coil to a 48:1 mismatch.

I already reported more than a year ago that it was
through an autotransformer. I matched the coil Z0
on both the source end and the load end.

I have no doubt that if you catch me in a misspelled
word, you will pounce on it and say it proves my
measurements were invalid. That's what nonsense
we have come to expect from you.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Richard Clark wrote:
Sorry, your 20 questions are up.

OK, so you will not adequately support your claim for measurement. On
the basis of what has been revealed, however, it shows absolutely no
evidence of transmission line behavior.

If you want evidence of transmission line behavior
look at the EZNEC files for:

http://www.w5dxp.com/travstnd.gif

One file is a coil terminated in its characteristic
impedance. The other is the same coil unterminated.

Based on your questions, an ordinary prudent man would
assume that you are just wasting my time. Next thing
is that you will be ragging on me for the number of
postings I had to make in answering your questions.

If you want transmission line behavior evidence in
coils, look at Corum's Figure 2 in section III of
his paper.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:09 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Based on your questions, an ordinary prudent man would
assume that you are just wasting my time. Next thing
is that you will be ragging on me for the number of
postings I had to make in answering your questions.

Well, you didn't answer them all did you? And you didn't really have
anything to show short of those answers until I asked for them, did
you? And you certainly don't have a page of published RESULTs such as
Tom has where the settings and readings are all readily visible and
available, do you?

Of course this laborious, tedious, and painstaking. This is called
the work of science and engineering - or you could just go back to
mooching for validation, the correspondence you commit to that in a
hour far exceeds responding to these few questions over several days.

So, what voltage magnitudes were presented to the inputs of your
scope? or should I consider your silence to a rather ordinary question
as you having hit the limit of your technical depth?

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:29:29 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

The minimum that my IC-756PRO would deliver
What load did the source drive?