AI4QJ wrote:
Roy, this is the part I don't understand about some people posting on this
thread. A standing wave does *not* have a phase shift.

Gene said the same thing many months ago:

Gene Fuller, W4SZ wrote:
In a standing wave antenna problem, such as the one you describe,
there is no remaining phase information. Any specific phase
characteristics of the traveling waves died out when the startup
transients died out.

Phase is gone. Kaput. Vanished. Cannot be recovered. Never to be
seen again.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
AI4QJ wrote:
Roy, this is the part I don't understand about some people posting on
this thread. A standing wave does *not* have a phase shift.

Gene said the same thing many months ago:

Gene Fuller, W4SZ wrote:
In a standing wave antenna problem, such as the one you describe,
there is no remaining phase information. Any specific phase
characteristics of the traveling waves died out when the startup
transients died out.

Phase is gone. Kaput. Vanished. Cannot be recovered. Never to be
seen again.

Cecil,

As usual, you continue to take things out of context. That quote
specifically referred to the (kz-wt) "phase". Simple examination of the
ideal standing wave equation shows my quoted comment to be correct.

However, I have also pointed out on several occasions that there are
multiple definitions for phase. It is not necessary to have a (kz-wt)
term in order to have valid and useful "phase" in a circuit.

But you already know that.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene Fuller wrote:
As usual, you continue to take things out of context. That quote
specifically referred to the (kz-wt) "phase". Simple examination of the
ideal standing wave equation shows my quoted comment to be correct.

I know and you know that when you posted those technical
facts, you thought they supported W7EL's side and contra-
dicted mine. Surprise! W7EL was the one making outrageous
assertions, not me. I know and you know that you wish you
could take those remarks back because they contradict W7EL
but they are now preserved on Google.

The technical facts will eventually win out even if it
hairlips every guru on this newsgroup.

However, I have also pointed out on several occasions that there are
multiple definitions for phase.

We are using the EZNEC convention for "phase". Other
definitions do not matter in this context.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com