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Roger Sparks wrote:
Thanks Keith. I see what you are doing now, although I still don't understand your logic in faulting Cecil on the instantaneous values. I agree with you that the instantaneous values can be tracked, but don't see a fault in Cecil's presentation. I made no assertions about instantaneous power at all and have added a note in my article to that effect. My assertions about instantaneous power cannot possibly be wrong because I didn't make any. :-) Nothing in my article applies to or is concerned with instantaneous power. For the power density/irradiance/interference equation to be applicable, certain conditions must be met. One of those conditions is that all component powers must be *average* powers resembling power density/irradiance from optics. Another condition is that the phase angle between the two waves being superposed must be constant and therefore the two associated waves must be coherent (phase-locked) with each other. Roy and I went around a few times on whether the source reflects in a case like this. The source reflection controls whether the 50 ohm source resistor acts like 50 ohms to the reflected wave, or acts like a short circuit in parallel with the 50 ohm source resistor. What Roy (and others) are missing is that there is more than one mechanism in physics that can cause a redistribution of reflected energy back toward the load. An ordinary reflection is not the only cause. In a one-dimensional environment, e.g. a transmission line, there is an additional mechanism present that can redirect and redistribute the reflected energy back toward the load. 1. Reflection - what happens when a *single wave* encounters an impedance discontinuity. Some (or all) of the reflected energy reverses direction. 2. Wave interaction - what happens when *two waves* superpose, interact, AND effect a redistribution of their energy components as described on the FSU web page at: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/j...ons/index.html "... when two waves of equal amplitude and wavelength that are 180-degrees ... out of phase with each other meet, they are not actually annihilated, ... All of the photon energy present in these waves must somehow be recovered or redistributed in a new direction, according to the law of energy conservation ... Instead, upon meeting, the photons are redistributed to regions that permit constructive interference, so the effect should be considered as a *redistribution of light waves and photon energy* ..." In the simple ideal voltage source described in my article, there are no reflections because the source resistance equals the characteristic impedance of the transmission line. In Part 1 of the article, there is also no wave interaction because the forward wave and reflected wave are 90 degrees out of phase. So for that special case, none of the reflected energy is redistributed back toward the load. Therefore, for that special case, all of the reflected energy is dissipated in the source resistor because all conditions for a redistribution of the reflected energy have been eliminated. In the special case described in Part 1, because of the 90 degree phase difference, the forward wave and reflected wave are completely independent of each other almost as if they were not coherent. The result in that special case is that the power components can simply be added because in that special case, (V1^2 + V2^2) = (V1 + V2)^2, something that is obviously NOT true in the general case. Part 2 of the article will describe what happens when the forward wave and reflected wave interact at the source resistor and effect a redistribution of reflected energy back toward the load *even when there are no reflections*. This is the key concept, understood for many decades in the field of optical physics, that most RF people seem to be missing. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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