Bob, KD8WU wrote:
"I`ve had good luck with the superloop 40 from radioworks which is a
bottom fed vertical delta loop."

I`m ignorant of the superloop 40 but am guessing it is a small multiturn
loop for enhancing reception only. If so, the following applies. If the
superloop 40 is a full wavelength in circumference, I`m all wet.

"Delta loop" usually implies more than a triangular shape. It usually
means a large loop, often an entire wavelength in circumference.

When the circumference of a loop is a small fraction of a wavelength,
current throughout a turn in the loop is nearly in the same phase and
magnitude. This is responsible for a null in the loop`s response
perpendicular to the plane of the loop. Loop response is in all the
directions which are in the plane of the loop.

Not so with the large loop, delta, quad, or circular. These large loops
have a response perpendicular to the plane of the loop which allows loop
elements to be stacked like the rods in a Yagi so that a cmbination
called a "Quagi" can be built.

A small loop with one or 40 turns is a different animal from a large
loop.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

All the theory is fine, but the bottom line on the superloop 80 or 40 in the
vertical plan is that they work and very well at that. Larry
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
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Bob, KD8WU wrote:
"I`ve had good luck with the superloop 40 from radioworks which is a
bottom fed vertical delta loop."

I`m ignorant of the superloop 40 but am guessing it is a small multiturn
loop for enhancing reception only. If so, the following applies. If the
superloop 40 is a full wavelength in circumference, I`m all wet.

"Delta loop" usually implies more than a triangular shape. It usually
means a large loop, often an entire wavelength in circumference.

When the circumference of a loop is a small fraction of a wavelength,
current throughout a turn in the loop is nearly in the same phase and
magnitude. This is responsible for a null in the loop`s response
perpendicular to the plane of the loop. Loop response is in all the
directions which are in the plane of the loop.

Not so with the large loop, delta, quad, or circular. These large loops
have a response perpendicular to the plane of the loop which allows loop
elements to be stacked like the rods in a Yagi so that a cmbination
called a "Quagi" can be built.

A small loop with one or 40 turns is a different animal from a large
loop.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:29:36 -0600 (CST),
(Richard Harrison) wrote:

Bob, KD8WU wrote:
"I`ve had good luck with the superloop 40 from radioworks which is a
bottom fed vertical delta loop."

I`m ignorant of the superloop 40 but am guessing it is a small multiturn
loop for enhancing reception only. If so, the following applies. If the
superloop 40 is a full wavelength in circumference, I`m all wet.

"Delta loop" usually implies more than a triangular shape. It usually
means a large loop, often an entire wavelength in circumference.

When the circumference of a loop is a small fraction of a wavelength,
current throughout a turn in the loop is nearly in the same phase and
magnitude. This is responsible for a null in the loop`s response
perpendicular to the plane of the loop. Loop response is in all the
directions which are in the plane of the loop.

Not so with the large loop, delta, quad, or circular. These large loops
have a response perpendicular to the plane of the loop which allows loop
elements to be stacked like the rods in a Yagi so that a cmbination
called a "Quagi" can be built.

A small loop with one or 40 turns is a different animal from a large
loop.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


Richard the Super loop is a full wave loop on the lowest operating
frequency .. IE Super loop 40 is a full wave 40 Meter delta loop.. the
difference is that it has a shorted stup opposet the fedpoint which
present a high impedence on twice the fundamental frequecy which
effectively opens the loop on bands above the fundamental so that it
acts more like a Bi-Square antenna on twice the frequency of design.

73 Dave KC1DI

KC1DI wrote:
Richard the Super loop is a full wave loop on the lowest operating
frequency .. IE Super loop 40 is a full wave 40 Meter delta loop.. the
difference is that it has a shorted stup opposet the fedpoint which
present a high impedence on twice the fundamental frequecy which
effectively opens the loop on bands above the fundamental so that it
acts more like a Bi-Square antenna on twice the frequency of design.

Dave, please turn on your spell checker.
Does "stup opposet" mean "stub opposite"?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:59:29 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

KC1DI wrote:
Richard the Super loop is a full wave loop on the lowest operating
frequency .. IE Super loop 40 is a full wave 40 Meter delta loop.. the
difference is that it has a shorted stup opposet the fedpoint which
present a high impedence on twice the fundamental frequecy which
effectively opens the loop on bands above the fundamental so that it
acts more like a Bi-Square antenna on twice the frequency of design.

Dave, please turn on your spell checker.
Does "stup opposet" mean "stub opposite"?

Thanks Cecil it does me stub ! not Stup Sorry.
73 Dave ...