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Efficiency and maximum power transfer
This has been a good example of a common pitfall in modeling. The error
made in this case was to attempt to apply an unsuitable model (a voltage source in series with a resistance) to a system to be modeled (a transmitter). As the OP showed, the attempt leads to an impossible result. The classic example of this is the "proof" that a bumblebee can't fly, based on a flawed model and immediately shown to be false by simply observing that they do, indeed, fly. Yet we see people falling into this trap daily, not only in modeling electrical circuits, but also in modeling such diverse processes as human behavior, economic systems, and roulette wheel numbers. Unfortunately, the bad results of applying unsuitable models aren't always so obvious as they were here. So it's always wise to check to see if the model fits before putting faith in the results. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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Efficiency and maximum power transfer
Good to see that everyone agrees that a generator with a resistor in series is
an unsuitable model for an RF transmitter.The easy part of the work is done! Now the more difficult part. As, by the Thevenin theorem, any complex circuit comprising resistors, voltage generators and current generators is equivalent to a generator with a resistor in series, evidently the transmitter model must comprise elements other than just resistors, voltage generators and current generators. Can one suggest how such a model looks like? (even a plain one, that does not take into account second- or superior-order effects). 73 Tomy I0JX - Rome, Italy |
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Efficiency and maximum power transfer
On Jun 8, 6:52 am, "Antonio Vernucci" wrote:
Good to see that everyone agrees that a generator with a resistor in series is an unsuitable model for an RF transmitter.The easy part of the work is done! Now the more difficult part. As, by the Thevenin theorem, any complex circuit comprising resistors, voltage generators and current generators is equivalent to a generator with a resistor in series, evidently the transmitter model must comprise elements other than just resistors, voltage generators and current generators. Can one suggest how such a model looks like? (even a plain one, that does not take into account second- or superior-order effects). 73 Tomy I0JX - Rome, Italy I believe you have mis-stated the Thevenin theorem. First, it applies only to linear circuits. Fine -- over some narrow range at least, a transmitter does indeed look like a linear circuit. But more importantly, it describes ONLY what you observe at an external pair of terminals, with no other connections, NOT what goes on inside the "black box" containing those elements you mentioned. A very simple example is a voltage source (a perfect battery) and two resistors in series across the battery; the external terminals for this example will be at opposite ends of one of the resistors. Let's say the battery is 2 volts and each resistor is 2 ohms. That will look like a Thevenin equivalent 1V in series with 1 ohm. Note that it also looks like a one amp source in parallel with a one ohm resistor. But it does not behave INTERNALLY like either of those. Consider also the same internal circuit, except drop the voltage source to 1V and add a 1/2A current source across the output terminals, polarity so that there's no drop across the resistor between the voltage and the current source (with no external load). Now figure the internal dissipation for each of those two cases, with no load, with a 1 ohm load, and with a short-circuit load. Cheers, Tom |
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