Thanks for all the comments.
But the problem is how to get the control signal of the position back to the
shack.

Andrea.

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"Andrea" wrote in message
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Hi guys,
Does enyone know if exist is a wireless rotator?
I cannot run the control cable between the control box and the rotator.
Any advice is very appreciated.

Thanks

Andrea.

Hi Andrea

Since there is power at the rotator, I assume there are power lines
there. I think you can figure a way to rotate thru an X-10 device.

Jerry

Hi Andrea

If the power for the rotator is related to the AC system that powers your
house, you dont need "wireless". There is a common connection already
available to you, X-10.

Jerry KD6JDJ


"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the comments.
But the problem is how to get the control signal of the position back to
the shack.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
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"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Hi guys,
Does enyone know if exist is a wireless rotator?
I cannot run the control cable between the control box and the rotator.
Any advice is very appreciated.

Thanks

Andrea.

Hi Andrea

Since there is power at the rotator, I assume there are power lines
there. I think you can figure a way to rotate thru an X-10 device.

Jerry

Yes, but how I can see the position of my antenna?
Maybe I'm missing something, but with the X10 I can move the antenna but I
cannot "see" the position.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
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Hi Andrea

If the power for the rotator is related to the AC system that powers your
house, you dont need "wireless". There is a common connection already
available to you, X-10.

Jerry KD6JDJ


"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the comments.
But the problem is how to get the control signal of the position back to
the shack.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:l7P9k.231$bn3.123@trnddc07...

"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Hi guys,
Does enyone know if exist is a wireless rotator?
I cannot run the control cable between the control box and the rotator.
Any advice is very appreciated.

Thanks

Andrea.

Hi Andrea

Since there is power at the rotator, I assume there are power lines
there. I think you can figure a way to rotate thru an X-10 device.

Jerry

In article ,
Andrea wrote:

Yes, but how I can see the position of my antenna?
Maybe I'm missing something, but with the X10 I can move the antenna but I
cannot "see" the position.

For a lot of the simpler rotator designs (e.g. most TV antenna rotator
systems I've seen) there isn't actually any positional feedback at all
between the rotator and the control box. The connection is entirely
one-directional (controller to rotator).

With these rotators, the position is deduced, rather than measured.
The rotator turns at a fairly constant speed when energized in either
direction, and its rotation is limited by clutch-stops in both
directions. When it's first installed you rotate it in one direction
for long enough for it to hit the (e.g.) clockwise stop, then manually
align the mast so that it's pointing due north (usually) and tighten
the U-bolts.

Thereafter, when you tell the controller to rotate the antenna, the
rotator turns the antenna, and a separate motor-gear arrangement turns
an indicator on the controller - presumably, at the same rate, so that
the indicator shows you something close to the actual antenna position.

The indicator and the antenna can drift out of alignment over time, so
it's necessary to resynchronize them occasionally... usually by
rotating the antenna for long enough that it hits the end-stop (and is
thus pointing north) and then manually adjusting the indicator
position on the controller box.

I think that you have two basic choices for your design approach:

- Do a wireless version of this simple arrangement... have your
wireless controller (X-10 or whatever) turn the rotator motors on
and off, *and* turn on and off a motor- or logic-driven position
indicator which deflects at the same angular rate that the rotator
moves. Occasionally re-synchronize the antenna and indicator.

- Use a rotator which has a true positional readout (e.g. a
potentiometer which can deliver a variable DC voltage, like the
Yaesu TailTwister types), plus a bidirectional radio link of some
sort. You'd need a couple of bits of control information going from
the controller to the rotator (to run the relays), and some sort of
analog-proportional coming back down.

The former is probably going to be easier to achieve.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
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boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Dear Dave thanks a lot for your very detailed message.
I will think about it and study a little more how ham rotator systems work.
Another idea is to use a pc controlled control box (in Italy we have a good
product by Prosistel) connected to my pc usign a serial wireless extender
adapter, but I have to check the range covered by the wireless. I'm at the
first floor and the antenna is at the 4th floor.
Thanks again!

Andrea.



"Dave Platt" ha scritto nel messaggio
...

In article ,
Andrea wrote:

Yes, but how I can see the position of my antenna?
Maybe I'm missing something, but with the X10 I can move the antenna but I
cannot "see" the position.

For a lot of the simpler rotator designs (e.g. most TV antenna rotator
systems I've seen) there isn't actually any positional feedback at all
between the rotator and the control box. The connection is entirely
one-directional (controller to rotator).

With these rotators, the position is deduced, rather than measured.
The rotator turns at a fairly constant speed when energized in either
direction, and its rotation is limited by clutch-stops in both
directions. When it's first installed you rotate it in one direction
for long enough for it to hit the (e.g.) clockwise stop, then manually
align the mast so that it's pointing due north (usually) and tighten
the U-bolts.

Thereafter, when you tell the controller to rotate the antenna, the
rotator turns the antenna, and a separate motor-gear arrangement turns
an indicator on the controller - presumably, at the same rate, so that
the indicator shows you something close to the actual antenna position.

The indicator and the antenna can drift out of alignment over time, so
it's necessary to resynchronize them occasionally... usually by
rotating the antenna for long enough that it hits the end-stop (and is
thus pointing north) and then manually adjusting the indicator
position on the controller box.

I think that you have two basic choices for your design approach:

- Do a wireless version of this simple arrangement... have your
wireless controller (X-10 or whatever) turn the rotator motors on
and off, *and* turn on and off a motor- or logic-driven position
indicator which deflects at the same angular rate that the rotator
moves. Occasionally re-synchronize the antenna and indicator.

- Use a rotator which has a true positional readout (e.g. a
potentiometer which can deliver a variable DC voltage, like the
Yaesu TailTwister types), plus a bidirectional radio link of some
sort. You'd need a couple of bits of control information going from
the controller to the rotator (to run the relays), and some sort of
analog-proportional coming back down.

The former is probably going to be easier to achieve.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Hi Andrea , You can do yourself a favor by learning X-10. The technology
allows a limitless number of channels. You can, if you want to, control
the rotation with X-10, and also send positoon back thru your AC lines.

Jerry KD6JDJ




"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Yes, but how I can see the position of my antenna?
Maybe I'm missing something, but with the X10 I can move the antenna but I
cannot "see" the position.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
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Hi Andrea

If the power for the rotator is related to the AC system that powers
your house, you dont need "wireless". There is a common connection
already available to you, X-10.

Jerry KD6JDJ


"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the comments.
But the problem is how to get the control signal of the position back to
the shack.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:l7P9k.231$bn3.123@trnddc07...

"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Hi guys,
Does enyone know if exist is a wireless rotator?
I cannot run the control cable between the control box and the
rotator.
Any advice is very appreciated.

Thanks

Andrea.

Hi Andrea

Since there is power at the rotator, I assume there are power lines
there. I think you can figure a way to rotate thru an X-10 device.

Jerry

Yes Jerry, you're right.
In Italy it is not very used.... I will try to get some details on the
internet.

Thanks.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
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Hi Andrea , You can do yourself a favor by learning X-10. The
technology allows a limitless number of channels. You can, if you want
to, control the rotation with X-10, and also send positoon back thru your
AC lines.

Jerry KD6JDJ




"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Yes, but how I can see the position of my antenna?
Maybe I'm missing something, but with the X10 I can move the antenna but
I cannot "see" the position.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:YeQ9k.100$Ae3.45@trnddc05...

Hi Andrea

If the power for the rotator is related to the AC system that powers
your house, you dont need "wireless". There is a common connection
already available to you, X-10.

Jerry KD6JDJ


"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Thanks for all the comments.
But the problem is how to get the control signal of the position back
to the shack.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:l7P9k.231$bn3.123@trnddc07...

"Andrea" wrote in message
...
Hi guys,
Does enyone know if exist is a wireless rotator?
I cannot run the control cable between the control box and the
rotator.
Any advice is very appreciated.

Thanks

Andrea.

Hi Andrea

Since there is power at the rotator, I assume there are power lines
there. I think you can figure a way to rotate thru an X-10 device.

Jerry

I was considering a similar problem recently and the thing that came
to mind was adapting bits and pieces of an Yaesu Atas system to a
rotator motor. FWIW.

ac6xg



Andrea wrote:
Yes Jerry, you're right.
In Italy it is not very used.... I will try to get some details on the
internet.

Thanks.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:rVT9k.125$4a3.60@trnddc04...

Hi Andrea , You can do yourself a favor by learning X-10. The
technology allows a limitless number of channels. You can, if you want
to, control the rotation with X-10, and also send positoon back thru your
AC lines.

Jerry KD6JDJ




"Andrea" wrote in message
.. .

Yes, but how I can see the position of my antenna?
Maybe I'm missing something, but with the X10 I can move the antenna but
I cannot "see" the position.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:YeQ9k.100$Ae3.45@trnddc05...

Hi Andrea

If the power for the rotator is related to the AC system that powers
your house, you dont need "wireless". There is a common connection
already available to you, X-10.

Jerry KD6JDJ


"Andrea" wrote in message
...

Thanks for all the comments.
But the problem is how to get the control signal of the position back
to the shack.

Andrea.

"Jerry" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:l7P9k.231$bn3.123@trnddc07...

"Andrea" wrote in message
. it...

Hi guys,
Does enyone know if exist is a wireless rotator?
I cannot run the control cable between the control box and the
rotator.
Any advice is very appreciated.

Thanks

Andrea.

Hi Andrea

Since there is power at the rotator, I assume there are power lines
there. I think you can figure a way to rotate thru an X-10 device.

Jerry