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Radiation and dummy loads
Art wrote:
"Why American antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna(s) I do not know(,) when the above (Unwin Antenna) presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of smaller volume." Enough bafflegab. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say: "Just give us the facts". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
Radiation and dummy loads
On Jul 3, 11:58 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
This was not an insult Art, this was in reference to the last sentence in your statement which follows - That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did nothing got their just deserts. Art Sounds like a lightly veiled threat to me. tom K0TAR Gee, I have no idea why you say that. I want somebody, probably from outside America who knows something about mathematics, communist, muslim or otherwise who can inform the american ham where the similarity lies between Gauss and Maxwell . What? Are you telling us that you don't know math, and request help to "inform" the American ham about Gauss and Maxwell? Let me get this right.. We all want to be clear on this. You don't know or understand math very well, but you want someone who does know math to "prove" a theory cooked up by a person who doesn't use or know math very well. So, obviously if you don't know math very well, you must not have used any to come to your conclusions. What makes you so sure that the arrival of such a person with credible math skills will verify and prove your claims? That doktor from MIT sure didn't do you any good. I assume he at least knows a little math... Sure seems like a stretch to me. We all know how you came to your conclusions. And math didn't have anything to do with it. Your antenna was spawned by twiddling with an antenna modeling and optimization program. I am sure that there are plenty here who do have the math skills to calculate most any problem you were to pose to them. People can't check the math if no math is given for them to check. So what is your excuse for this gross omission? And don't mention that doktor from MIT. He didn't provide any math to check either. What was his excuse for this gross omission? Oh yea, I remember.. He ducked out and ran off before giving his excuse. Of course, you could greatly speed up your quest for validation if you installed the antenna and ran tests against known reference antennas. You would know very quickly if your antenna lives up to your hype or not. You would not need any mathematicians to see if your theory holds water. You would *KNOW* without all the whiny histrionics. Your ****ing and moaning about peoples levels of education strikes me as hilarious when you write and spell on the level of the average 4th grader. I don't know who your teachers were, but I feel certain they must have been incompetent. Either that, or in your advancing old fartism, you have gradually lost most everything you were once taught. Either that or you just want to be different. Which is it? When are you going to get off your ass and actually try one of these antennas in the real world? If you won't do it, how can you expect anyone else to want to mess with it? The "normal" person will pretty much know it doesn't work even before trying it. So there is not much incentive to break a sweat is there? If you want to prove that your air cooled dummy load can be an effective radiator, it's all up to you. Not us. If you want me to break a sweat to disprove your antenna, I expect to be well paid for my trouble. You will also pay for expenses. IE: the hundreds of feet of 22 gauge wire, two shoe boxes, etc.. If you wish, I will do your work for you for $6,150.00 $6k going to me, the $150 to cover parts and other expenses. You can send the check to my listed QRZ address. After receiving said funds, I will provide detailed test results within a week. Note that I require payment before doing the test just to ensure I actually get paid. I'm fairly sure that the results of the test will be unfavorable to your cause, which will likely lead you to decide not to pay your bill. |
Radiation and dummy loads
On Jul 4, 11:04 am, (Richard Harrison)
wrote: Art wrote: "Why American antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna(s) I do not know(,) when the above (Unwin Antenna) presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of smaller volume." Enough bafflegab. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say: "Just give us the facts". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Richard after all your denials regarding tipped antennas which you say is a myth we are now getting close to showing same via a computor program with optimizer which will show it is not a myth. You will soon have to decide whether computor programs with respect to antennas are complete garbage i.e. garbage in garbage out or....... that antennas must be tipped for max vertical gain. My guess that this will be shown first by a European since they have a need for smaller antennas and still are willing to experiment with antennas rather than declaring "all is known" Slowly the correllation between static particles and Maxwell is being understood. I never thought David would finally acknowledge the mathematics even tho there are many who reject the fact. Now we have Richard ,not you, David and myself on one side banded together against the antenna bashers. The next move showing a tipped vertical generated by an optimizer will bring another one over to my side. We then will see that the static particles that is part of Gauss is ejected from a radiator like an elevated frog, used for novelty reasons, show that radiatiation is by particles and not a wave will bring another antenna basher over to the Gaussian side. Then people will see how an eddy current applies spin to a departing particle such that it will attain a straight line trajectory for communication and the change over will become a flood and you will be left alone as an old man who cannot accept change While others are making small antennas now that it can be seen that a radiator can be any size shape or varied elevation as long as it is in equilibrium This being the start of this journey connecting a gaussian field in equilibrium to the mechanics of communication Art KB9MZ unwinantennas.com/ |
Radiation and dummy loads
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 6:50 am, "Dave" wrote: "Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 11:06 pm, Tom Ring wrote: Art Unwin wrote: On Jul 3, 10:00 pm, Tom Ring wrote: Art Unwin wrote: what I am sharing and I will never be silenced so my feet turn to lead in the face of wrong doing applied to others who have done no wrong.That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did nothing got their just deserts. Art You are a very sick person. Get help. tom K0TAR Make your point by proving it. Many will stand behind you with that comment but first prove the mathematics presented are in error. That would certainly separate you from others who are not educated to determine same other than sharing with others what and who you are. When those mathematics are proved to be in error my whole findings fall apart . . Where I would lose credence where you would gain without the need for insult which gains nothing. Is there not anybody in this world can prove that the extended law of Gauss when subject to the addition of radiators and a time varying field is not the equal of Maxwells law? Anybody from any country of any color or religeon willing to present to Americans that indeed the laws become the same? Or do you find the possibility of insults from americans to daunting to speak up? Be strong Regards Art This was not an insult Art, this was in reference to the last sentence in your statement which follows - That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did nothing got their just deserts. Art Sounds like a lightly veiled threat to me. tom K0TAR Gee, I have no idea why you say that. I want somebody, probably from outside America who knows something about mathematics, communist, muslim or otherwise who can inform the american ham where the similarity lies between Gauss and Maxwell . This is mainly an american forum and they are determined to deny any mathematics that supplies a similarity between these two gentlemen from Europe. Mathematics shown up to now showed that Gaussian law of statics when extended to include a radiator and a time varying field cannot, and does not,equal Maxwell's law despite the mathematic manouvaring that show that they are the same. They also bring in to question antenna programs with optimizer that produce arrays where all is in equilibrium, or programs that show radiators tipped with respect to ground as a response to Foucault current ala the weak field, required by the masters prior to Maxwell. We all know the statement regarding garbage in means garbage out and that is the label they are determined to foist upon all. The equality of these laws leads to the fact that a radiator may be of 'any shape, size or elevation as long as it is in equilibrium and is capable of producing eddy currents'. This suggests to me that some members are full bent on preventing this knowledge being shared with all, for why I do not know Even tho it was an american with a doctorate working for the space department who supplied confirming mathematics. There is a need for efficient electrically full wave antennas contained within a smaller volume hitherto known and nobody can stop the advance of science where curiousity abounds. Somebody some where will produce one and then the race will be on but it disappoints me that it will not be America where the fall of the dollar will continue world wide. Why american antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna I do not know when the above presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of a smaller volume. I need a mathematician to come forward to blow this scheming apart for the benefit of all including those on the other side of the pond. Happy fourth of July to all Americans and hopefully change is near. Best regards Art Unwin KB9MZ......Personal page...."unwinantennas.com/" art never has understood that one of maxwell's 4 laws is really gauss' law in disguise... sometimes written with a D instead of E to confuse the clueless, its an important part of electrostatics. But David you made a career of saying that you cannot add radiators and a time varying field to Gaussian law of statics.! Gauss' law is a statics law... always was and always will be. And i have pointed out to you repeatedly that it was already sufficiently integrated into maxwell's laws without you trying to muck around with them. Then come back and explain to the rest of America why the radiator is tipped with respect to earth its tipped because you are a bit off of vertical, and have been for a long time from the sounds of it. Maybe other americans on the newsgroup will now follow you without bashing other believers that it cannot be so. i hope not, this is our independence day from the idiocy that you have been spewing. |
Radiation and dummy loads
On Jul 3, 11:35 pm, John Smith wrote:
Tom Ring wrote: That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did nothing got their just deserts. Art Sounds like a lightly veiled threat to me. tom K0TAR You need to study your history. Sounds like this to me: First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945 Sick is attempting to "point" everything at ones' self. Sick is thinking everyone in the world is "out to get you" ... be careful ... it WAS about Hitler, and what those who do nothing deserve. Regards, JS Very well put. It why I am so proud of the UK as a Londoner for that descision when all alone on SEPTEMBER THREE 1939 We got hit pretty hard after that but it was the right thing to do Art an XG |
Radiation and dummy loads
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 11:04 am, (Richard Harrison) wrote: Art wrote: "Why American antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna(s) I do not know(,) when the above (Unwin Antenna) presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of smaller volume." Enough bafflegab. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say: "Just give us the facts". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Richard after all your denials regarding tipped antennas which you say is a myth we are now getting close to showing same via a computor program with optimizer which will show it is not a myth. what is the myth? they will do something different than a true vertical antenna, but probably nothing really useful. that antennas must be tipped for max vertical gain. if you want gain straight up then yes, you must tip the radiator, preferably by 90 degrees off vertical. I never thought David would finally acknowledge the mathematics even You haven't shown any mathematics to acknowledge... only bafflegab and hand waving. We then will see that the static particles that is part of Gauss is ejected from a radiator like an elevated frog, used for novelty reasons, show that radiatiation is by particles and not a wave will bring another antenna basher over to the Gaussian side. Then people will see how an eddy current applies spin to a departing particle such that it will attain a straight line trajectory for communication and the change over will become a flood and you will be left alone as an old man who cannot accept change While others are making small antennas now that it can be seen that a radiator can be any size shape or varied elevation as long as it is in equilibrium This being the start of this journey connecting a gaussian field in equilibrium to the mechanics of communication Art a perfect example of bafflegab, doubletalk, and downright nonsense... art can't really believe this and still be functional enough to type, so he must be still trying to pull our collective legs. |
Radiation and dummy loads
On Jul 4, 12:54 pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 11:04 am, (Richard Harrison) wrote: Art wrote: "Why American antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna(s) I do not know(,) when the above (Unwin Antenna) presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of smaller volume." Enough bafflegab. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say: "Just give us the facts". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Richard after all your denials regarding tipped antennas which you say is a myth we are now getting close to showing same via a computor program with optimizer which will show it is not a myth. what is the myth? they will do something different than a true vertical antenna, but probably nothing really useful. that antennas must be tipped for max vertical gain. if you want gain straight up then yes, you must tip the radiator, preferably by 90 degrees off vertical. I never thought David would finally acknowledge the mathematics even You haven't shown any mathematics to acknowledge... only bafflegab and hand waving. We then will see that the static particles that is part of Gauss is ejected from a radiator like an elevated frog, used for novelty reasons, show that radiatiation is by particles and not a wave will bring another antenna basher over to the Gaussian side. Then people will see how an eddy current applies spin to a departing particle such that it will attain a straight line trajectory for communication and the change over will become a flood and you will be left alone as an old man who cannot accept change While others are making small antennas now that it can be seen that a radiator can be any size shape or varied elevation as long as it is in equilibrium This being the start of this journey connecting a gaussian field in equilibrium to the mechanics of communication Art a perfect example of bafflegab, doubletalk, and downright nonsense... art can't really believe this and still be functional enough to type, so he must be still trying to pull our collective legs. David check it out to show the World why it is bafflegab, The same thing was stated when the Gaussian/Maxwell mathematics was given on this newsgroup. Be a hero and show the World why America is correct and I am in error Your chance to make the July 4 a day to remember for American hams Ofcourse you can make an antenna where all lumped loads are cancelled to form an antenna in equilibrium but that would mean getting up from your couch and putting your six pack down. Not very likely Art |
Radiation and dummy loads
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 12:54 pm, "Dave" wrote: "Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 11:04 am, (Richard Harrison) wrote: Art wrote: "Why American antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna(s) I do not know(,) when the above (Unwin Antenna) presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of smaller volume." Enough bafflegab. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say: "Just give us the facts". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Richard after all your denials regarding tipped antennas which you say is a myth we are now getting close to showing same via a computor program with optimizer which will show it is not a myth. what is the myth? they will do something different than a true vertical antenna, but probably nothing really useful. that antennas must be tipped for max vertical gain. if you want gain straight up then yes, you must tip the radiator, preferably by 90 degrees off vertical. I never thought David would finally acknowledge the mathematics even You haven't shown any mathematics to acknowledge... only bafflegab and hand waving. We then will see that the static particles that is part of Gauss is ejected from a radiator like an elevated frog, used for novelty reasons, show that radiatiation is by particles and not a wave will bring another antenna basher over to the Gaussian side. Then people will see how an eddy current applies spin to a departing particle such that it will attain a straight line trajectory for communication and the change over will become a flood and you will be left alone as an old man who cannot accept change While others are making small antennas now that it can be seen that a radiator can be any size shape or varied elevation as long as it is in equilibrium This being the start of this journey connecting a gaussian field in equilibrium to the mechanics of communication Art a perfect example of bafflegab, doubletalk, and downright nonsense... art can't really believe this and still be functional enough to type, so he must be still trying to pull our collective legs. David check it out to show the World why it is bafflegab, The same thing was stated when the Gaussian/Maxwell mathematics was given on this newsgroup. Be a hero and show the World why America is correct and I am in error From "Fields And Waves In Communication Electronics" Ramo, Whinnery, and Van Duzer, 2nd printing 1967... ppg 237 they have just stated the 4 classical Maxwell's equations in integral form and are explaining them in words. equation (1) is the surface integral of the vector displacement = the volume integral of the charge density.... which they explain as "Equation (1) is seen to be the familiar form of Gauss's law utilized so much in Chapter 2. Now that we are concerned with fields which are a function of time, the interpretation is that the electric flux flowing out of any closed surface _at a given instant_ is equal to the charge enclosed by the surface _at that instant_" (emphasis shown by _ x_ is THEIRS not mine). Now note art, that this shows that the classical Gauss's law that you are trying to add into the Maxwell equations is indeed already there. Also, as they point out it implicitly accounts for time variation without the need to add a specific time term to the equations. Your chance to make the July 4 a day to remember for American hams Ofcourse you can make an antenna where all lumped loads are cancelled to form an antenna in equilibrium but that would mean getting up from your couch and putting your six pack down. Not very likely Art six pack! ugh, i haven't touched a six pack in years, i much prefer real beer. is that your problem art, too many cheap six packs?? |
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On Jul 4, 1:27 pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 12:54 pm, "Dave" wrote: "Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 11:04 am, (Richard Harrison) wrote: Art wrote: "Why American antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna(s) I do not know(,) when the above (Unwin Antenna) presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of smaller volume." Enough bafflegab. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say: "Just give us the facts". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Richard after all your denials regarding tipped antennas which you say is a myth we are now getting close to showing same via a computor program with optimizer which will show it is not a myth. what is the myth? they will do something different than a true vertical antenna, but probably nothing really useful. that antennas must be tipped for max vertical gain. if you want gain straight up then yes, you must tip the radiator, preferably by 90 degrees off vertical. I never thought David would finally acknowledge the mathematics even You haven't shown any mathematics to acknowledge... only bafflegab and hand waving. We then will see that the static particles that is part of Gauss is ejected from a radiator like an elevated frog, used for novelty reasons, show that radiatiation is by particles and not a wave will bring another antenna basher over to the Gaussian side. Then people will see how an eddy current applies spin to a departing particle such that it will attain a straight line trajectory for communication and the change over will become a flood and you will be left alone as an old man who cannot accept change While others are making small antennas now that it can be seen that a radiator can be any size shape or varied elevation as long as it is in equilibrium This being the start of this journey connecting a gaussian field in equilibrium to the mechanics of communication Art a perfect example of bafflegab, doubletalk, and downright nonsense... art can't really believe this and still be functional enough to type, so he must be still trying to pull our collective legs. David check it out to show the World why it is bafflegab, The same thing was stated when the Gaussian/Maxwell mathematics was given on this newsgroup. Be a hero and show the World why America is correct and I am in error From "Fields And Waves In Communication Electronics" Ramo, Whinnery, and Van Duzer, 2nd printing 1967... ppg 237 they have just stated the 4 classical Maxwell's equations in integral form and are explaining them in words. equation (1) is the surface integral of the vector displacement = the volume integral of the charge density.... which they explain as "Equation (1) is seen to be the familiar form of Gauss's law utilized so much in Chapter 2. Now that we are concerned with fields which are a function of time, the interpretation is that the electric flux flowing out of any closed surface _at a given instant_ is equal to the charge enclosed by the surface _at that instant_" (emphasis shown by _ x_ is THEIRS not mine). Now note art, that this shows that the classical Gauss's law that you are trying to add into the Maxwell equations is indeed already there. Also, as they point out it implicitly accounts for time variation without the need to add a specific time term to the equations. Your chance to make the July 4 a day to remember for American hams Ofcourse you can make an antenna where all lumped loads are cancelled to form an antenna in equilibrium but that would mean getting up from your couch and putting your six pack down. Not very likely Art six pack! ugh, i haven't touched a six pack in years, i much prefer real beer. is that your problem art, too many cheap six packs?? Wrong. The chapter gives NO mention of the role of static particles in radiation. Gauss never did apply an extension to his law of statics to reveal that a radiator can be any size , shape or elevation as long as the laws of equilibrium is in effect to make a dynamic field. This is clear indication that a radiator must be of a wavelength or more that is radiating which does not include the addition of a ground plane as part of the radiator. In addition, all laws only refer to distributed loads as a function of radiation and equilibrium and where lumped loads have no part in the equations. Equilibrium is also the datum proof where the charge within a conductor must be zero so that the law of Newton can be preserved ( action and reaction) By using the law of statics you find the importance of ":equilibrium" that Maxwell purloined as well as a new aproach to the sequences involved in radiation There is no question that the laws of Maxwell are not correct because each law he purloined included this stipulation as well as the extension to the gaussian law of statics which supplies the picture that Maxwell's laws are lacking. It is these same particles alluded in Gaussian law that are the true carriers of communication in radio where they are ejected from the radiator surface with spin provided by the opresence of eddy currents. Without the applied spin you cannot have a straight line trajectory. Ofcourse you can supply another reason why nature included particles in communication which would really thrill me to bits. But I am very pleased you are returning to written laws for proof even tho you misinterprete them. On the other hand you can verify that the requirement of equilibrium is preserved within Maxwells laws and thus antenna computer programs such that the tilted vertical is not removed from the subject of antennas. It was me that speculated that these same particles were neutrinos that are radio active and thus subject to decay that obtain a weak magnetic field from entry to the earth's magnetic field which are present in the billions per square metre on our native earth. It is also the wavelength data that supplies the information regarding the parallel tank circuit which is a pertinent part of all radiation. All these items I have found to intersect like a jigsaw puzzle that adequately describes the mechanics of radiation which hither to was unknown. Unless ofcourse you have studies that are contrary to the above. If you have, take them to the International conference on small antennas organised in San Diego U.S.next week by the American IEEE where you can drink in the applause of the World's experts Regards unwinantennas.com/ |
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"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 1:27 pm, "Dave" wrote: "Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 12:54 pm, "Dave" wrote: "Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Jul 4, 11:04 am, (Richard Harrison) wrote: Art wrote: "Why American antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient fractional antenna(s) I do not know(,) when the above (Unwin Antenna) presents the means of point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of smaller volume." Enough bafflegab. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say: "Just give us the facts". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Richard after all your denials regarding tipped antennas which you say is a myth we are now getting close to showing same via a computor program with optimizer which will show it is not a myth. what is the myth? they will do something different than a true vertical antenna, but probably nothing really useful. that antennas must be tipped for max vertical gain. if you want gain straight up then yes, you must tip the radiator, preferably by 90 degrees off vertical. I never thought David would finally acknowledge the mathematics even You haven't shown any mathematics to acknowledge... only bafflegab and hand waving. We then will see that the static particles that is part of Gauss is ejected from a radiator like an elevated frog, used for novelty reasons, show that radiatiation is by particles and not a wave will bring another antenna basher over to the Gaussian side. Then people will see how an eddy current applies spin to a departing particle such that it will attain a straight line trajectory for communication and the change over will become a flood and you will be left alone as an old man who cannot accept change While others are making small antennas now that it can be seen that a radiator can be any size shape or varied elevation as long as it is in equilibrium This being the start of this journey connecting a gaussian field in equilibrium to the mechanics of communication Art a perfect example of bafflegab, doubletalk, and downright nonsense... art can't really believe this and still be functional enough to type, so he must be still trying to pull our collective legs. David check it out to show the World why it is bafflegab, The same thing was stated when the Gaussian/Maxwell mathematics was given on this newsgroup. Be a hero and show the World why America is correct and I am in error From "Fields And Waves In Communication Electronics" Ramo, Whinnery, and Van Duzer, 2nd printing 1967... ppg 237 they have just stated the 4 classical Maxwell's equations in integral form and are explaining them in words. equation (1) is the surface integral of the vector displacement = the volume integral of the charge density.... which they explain as "Equation (1) is seen to be the familiar form of Gauss's law utilized so much in Chapter 2. Now that we are concerned with fields which are a function of time, the interpretation is that the electric flux flowing out of any closed surface _at a given instant_ is equal to the charge enclosed by the surface _at that instant_" (emphasis shown by _ x_ is THEIRS not mine). Now note art, that this shows that the classical Gauss's law that you are trying to add into the Maxwell equations is indeed already there. Also, as they point out it implicitly accounts for time variation without the need to add a specific time term to the equations. Your chance to make the July 4 a day to remember for American hams Ofcourse you can make an antenna where all lumped loads are cancelled to form an antenna in equilibrium but that would mean getting up from your couch and putting your six pack down. Not very likely Art six pack! ugh, i haven't touched a six pack in years, i much prefer real beer. is that your problem art, too many cheap six packs?? Wrong. The chapter gives NO mention of the role of static particles in radiation. of course not, the aether was firmly debunked before they wrote that. Gauss never did apply an extension to his law of statics to reveal that a radiator can be any size , shape or elevation as long as the laws of equilibrium is in effect to make a dynamic field. of course not, his law is a static law, it was maxwell that brought together the 6 equations necessary to describe waves and dynamics. This is clear indication that a radiator must be of a wavelength or more that is radiating which does not include the addition of a ground plane as part of the radiator. bull. half wave radiators are just fine, and you can get any size conductor to radiate. rest of bull snipped... enough for today, i'm going to enjoy some nice old scotch and enjoy the rest of the holiday. |
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