ny area hidef antennas?
 

hi

i was just wondering once nyc hits the deadline to switch
broadcasting to digital if the channals we use now

2-13vhf would continue specifically would other channals in
that range be avail like say ch6

or will it just be say one or more digital channals stuffed into
the same space now occupied by ch2 for example depending on how cbs
wants to do it




also here uhf 14- had really only a few channels that were
broadcasting should we expect many new channels to be
broadcating in that range or just mostly same



wondering if were going to see a shift of the primary channels
here being more 14- vs the current heavy use of 2-13

reason being most have antennas that are really for 2-13 and
alot are wondering if the uhf is going to be hot they will obv
need to add new antennas


thanks

ny area hidef antennas?
 

In article , ml
wrote:

hi

i was just wondering once nyc hits the deadline to switch
broadcasting to digital if the channals we use now

2-13vhf would continue specifically would other channals in
that range be avail like say ch6

or will it just be say one or more digital channals stuffed into
the same space now occupied by ch2 for example depending on how cbs
wants to do it




also here uhf 14- had really only a few channels that were
broadcasting should we expect many new channels to be
broadcating in that range or just mostly same



wondering if were going to see a shift of the primary channels
here being more 14- vs the current heavy use of 2-13

reason being most have antennas that are really for 2-13 and
alot are wondering if the uhf is going to be hot they will obv
need to add new antennas


thanks

could use a little help here i tried searching under google and
fcc i found alot of stuff marked proposed but nothing seemed
to indicate would would be after the current interm layouts ie
what it's going to be their plans after feb so if anyone has
any links or info i'd appreciate it much

ny area hidef antennas?
 

"ml" wrote in message
...
In article , ml
wrote:

hi

i was just wondering once nyc hits the deadline to switch
broadcasting to digital if the channals we use now

2-13vhf would continue specifically would other channals in
that range be avail like say ch6

or will it just be say one or more digital channals stuffed into
the same space now occupied by ch2 for example depending on how cbs
wants to do it




also here uhf 14- had really only a few channels that were
broadcasting should we expect many new channels to be
broadcating in that range or just mostly same



wondering if were going to see a shift of the primary channels
here being more 14- vs the current heavy use of 2-13

reason being most have antennas that are really for 2-13 and
alot are wondering if the uhf is going to be hot they will obv
need to add new antennas


thanks

could use a little help here i tried searching under google and
fcc i found alot of stuff marked proposed but nothing seemed
to indicate would would be after the current interm layouts ie
what it's going to be their plans after feb so if anyone has
any links or info i'd appreciate it much

This is exactly what you want:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-08-72A2.pdf . It's
alphabetical by state, so scroll down to NYC on page 34.

Yes, the action on UHF will be hot, since Channels 2 - 6 are not great for
digital TV signals and are being avoided.

Also, please note the existence of newsgroup alt.video.digital-tv which is
much more on-point for your question.

BTW, newsgroups are not for text-messages. Using punctuation and capital
letters makes it easier to read your questions. Thanks. (Or maybe tks ;-)

ny area hidef antennas?
 

Sal M. Onella wrote:

...
BTW, newsgroups are not for text-messages. Using punctuation and capital
letters makes it easier to read your questions. Thanks. (Or maybe tks ;-)



No big deal, but we should keep in mind he may be using his cell phone
to access USENET/internet ... I have done so one mine, but the darn
screen on the phone is so small--well, and my eyes so bad, I gave it
up--but, creating capitals on a cell phone is difficult/slow enough that
one soon abandons any attempt ...

Regards,
JS

ny area hidef antennas?
 

In article ,
"Sal M. Onella" wrote:

"ml" wrote in message
...
In article , ml
wrote:

hi

i was just wondering once nyc hits the deadline to switch
broadcasting to digital if the channals we use now

2-13vhf would continue specifically would other channals in
that range be avail like say ch6

or will it just be say one or more digital channals stuffed into
the same space now occupied by ch2 for example depending on how cbs
wants to do it




also here uhf 14- had really only a few channels that were
broadcasting should we expect many new channels to be
broadcating in that range or just mostly same



wondering if were going to see a shift of the primary channels
here being more 14- vs the current heavy use of 2-13

reason being most have antennas that are really for 2-13 and
alot are wondering if the uhf is going to be hot they will obv
need to add new antennas


thanks

could use a little help here i tried searching under google and
fcc i found alot of stuff marked proposed but nothing seemed
to indicate would would be after the current interm layouts ie
what it's going to be their plans after feb so if anyone has
any links or info i'd appreciate it much

This is exactly what you want:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-08-72A2.pdf . It's
alphabetical by state, so scroll down to NYC on page 34.

Yes, the action on UHF will be hot, since Channels 2 - 6 are not great for
digital TV signals and are being avoided.

Also, please note the existence of newsgroup alt.video.digital-tv which is
much more on-point for your question.

BTW, newsgroups are not for text-messages. Using punctuation and capital
letters makes it easier to read your questions. Thanks. (Or maybe tks ;-)

Thanks very much for the info, and that link.

I actually found a simular link, what i can't tell from the above
link, is if it reflects the current state todate or if it is the
planed/proposed listing for after Feb. .


Do you happen to know what that was listed under?? I tried to back
out of the link and just got error msg


thanks again very much

ny area hidef antennas?
 

"ml" wrote in message
...


snip

This is exactly what you want:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-08-72A2.pdf .
It's
alphabetical by state, so scroll down to NYC on page 34.

Yes, the action on UHF will be hot, since Channels 2 - 6 are not great
for
digital TV signals and are being avoided.

Also, please note the existence of newsgroup alt.video.digital-tv which
is
much more on-point for your question.

BTW, newsgroups are not for text-messages. Using punctuation and
capital
letters makes it easier to read your questions. Thanks. (Or maybe tks
;-)

Thanks very much for the info, and that link.

I actually found a simular link, what i can't tell from the above
link, is if it reflects the current state todate or if it is the
planed/proposed listing for after Feb. .


Do you happen to know what that was listed under?? I tried to back
out of the link and just got error msg


thanks again very much

I got it from www.tvfool.com . Near the top, find "Latest News" and click
"Updated Post-transition Records." On that page, it's the pdf link in the
third paragraph. That paragraph gives you a hint of where it came from:
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/ but, so sorry, nothing on that page relates.

Furthermore -- and here it gets really depressing -- a search of fcc.gov for
"post transition," shows there's still a steady stream of fresh changes.
Just one, last week, Channel 49 in Bainbridge, Georgia, wants to be channel
50. Not a big Whoop for NYC, but what it really shows is that not
everything is nailed down.

ny area hidef antennas?
 

In article ,
John Smith wrote:

Sal M. Onella wrote:

...
BTW, newsgroups are not for text-messages. Using punctuation and capital
letters makes it easier to read your questions. Thanks. (Or maybe tks ;-)



No big deal, but we should keep in mind he may be using his cell phone
to access USENET/internet ... I have done so one mine, but the darn
screen on the phone is so small--well, and my eyes so bad, I gave it
up--but, creating capitals on a cell phone is difficult/slow enough that
one soon abandons any attempt ...

Regards,
JS

thanks again everyone for responding

Sal, seems you encountered some of the same issues as I, so at least
i know i am not crazy, well, not toally


thanks

ny area hidef antennas?
 

ml wrote:
In article , ml
wrote:

hi

i was just wondering once nyc hits the deadline to switch
broadcasting to digital if the channals we use now

2-13vhf would continue specifically would other channals in
that range be avail like say ch6

or will it just be say one or more digital channals stuffed into
the same space now occupied by ch2 for example depending on how cbs
wants to do it




also here uhf 14- had really only a few channels that were
broadcasting should we expect many new channels to be
broadcating in that range or just mostly same
As I understand it-- there will be (more, or less), no TV signals in
the LOW vhf (Channel 2-6), there will be some in the High (Ch 7-13 vhf),
and the bulk of the NEW High Def stations will be in the uhf rangeCh 14,
and up.
BUT to complicate matters, there will be NO MAJOR changes to the
existing NTSC programming , on Cable. Also, IF you are receiveing
your broadcasts from TRANSLATORS, their NTSC, and Freq assignments
WILL NOT CHANGE! Someone into tv broadcasting can give you a better
Defination than I can. As for DTV, to NTSC converters, there is a
$40 Coupon (2 per family) available from

https://www.dtv2009.gov/ApplyCoupon.aspx

Jim- NN7K

ny area hidef antennas?
 

Jim-NN7K wrote:
ml wrote:
In article , ml
wrote:

hi

i was just wondering once nyc hits the deadline to switch
broadcasting to digital if the channals we use now
2-13vhf would continue specifically would other channals
in that range be avail like say ch6
or will it just be say one or more digital channals stuffed
into the same space now occupied by ch2 for example depending on
how cbs wants to do it




also here uhf 14- had really only a few channels that
were broadcasting should we expect many new channels to
be broadcating in that range or just mostly same
As I understand it-- there will be (more, or less), no TV signals in
the LOW vhf (Channel 2-6), there will be some in the High (Ch 7-13 vhf),
and the bulk of the NEW High Def stations will be in the uhf rangeCh 14,
and up.
BUT to complicate matters, there will be NO MAJOR changes to the
existing NTSC programming , on Cable. Also, IF you are receiveing
your broadcasts from TRANSLATORS, their NTSC, and Freq assignments
WILL NOT CHANGE! Someone into tv broadcasting can give you a better
Defination than I can. As for DTV, to NTSC converters, there is a
$40 Coupon (2 per family) available from

https://www.dtv2009.gov/ApplyCoupon.aspx

Jim- NN7K

That is NOT correct. our local ABC affiliate is currently on channel 56
UHF and will be reverting to channel 5 VHF in Feb 2009. (at least that's
what they are telling us)

ny area hidef antennas?
 

"Hasan Schiers" wrote in message
...
Jim-NN7K wrote:
ml wrote:
In article , ml
wrote:

hi


As I understand it-- there will be (more, or less), no TV signals in
the LOW vhf (Channel 2-6), there will be some in the High (Ch 7-13 vhf),
and the bulk of the NEW High Def stations will be in the uhf rangeCh 14,



That is NOT correct. our local ABC affiliate is currently on channel 56
UHF and will be reverting to channel 5 VHF in Feb 2009. (at least that's
what they are telling us)

Document http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-07-138A2.xls
is an 1800-record spreadsheet listing the current and proposed channels. Do
what I did and sort it on the NEW DTV channel numbers. You will discover,
as I did, that only a few dozen stations were headed for low-VHF after
transition.

Here are the actual numbers (after the sort):

Records 1 to 37 are on TV Channels 2 - 6
Records 38 to 487 are on TV channels 7 - 13
Records 488 to 1811 are on TV channels 14 - 51

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-07-138A3.xls appears
to be a minor supplement to the big guy, having only 16 records:

Records 1 is on TV Channels 2 - 6
Records 2 to 5 are on TV channels 7 - 13
Records 6 to 13 are on TV channels 14 - 51

Trying to nail this down any better is like trying to nail Jello to the
wall.

ny area hidef antennas?
 

"ml" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Sal M. Onella" wrote:

"ml" wrote in message
...
In article , ml
wrote:

hi

i was just wondering once nyc hits the deadline to switch
broadcasting to digital if the channals we use now

2-13vhf would continue specifically would other channals
in
that range be avail like say ch6

or will it just be say one or more digital channals stuffed
into
the same space now occupied by ch2 for example depending on how
cbs
wants to do it




also here uhf 14- had really only a few channels that
were
broadcasting should we expect many new channels to be
broadcating in that range or just mostly same



wondering if were going to see a shift of the primary channels
here being more 14- vs the current heavy use of 2-13

reason being most have antennas that are really for 2-13
and
alot are wondering if the uhf is going to be hot they will
obv
need to add new antennas


thanks

could use a little help here i tried searching under google and
fcc i found alot of stuff marked proposed but nothing seemed
to indicate would would be after the current interm layouts ie
what it's going to be their plans after feb so if anyone has
any links or info i'd appreciate it much

This is exactly what you want:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-08-72A2.pdf .
It's
alphabetical by state, so scroll down to NYC on page 34.

Yes, the action on UHF will be hot, since Channels 2 - 6 are not great
for
digital TV signals and are being avoided.

Also, please note the existence of newsgroup alt.video.digital-tv which
is
much more on-point for your question.

BTW, newsgroups are not for text-messages. Using punctuation and capital
letters makes it easier to read your questions. Thanks. (Or maybe tks
;-)

Thanks very much for the info, and that link.

I actually found a simular link, what i can't tell from the above
link, is if it reflects the current state todate or if it is the
planed/proposed listing for after Feb. .


Do you happen to know what that was listed under?? I tried to back
out of the link and just got error msg


thanks again very much

According to the info I have, NYC stations will be on UHF, except for CH7,
11, and 13, which will revert back to the present analog channels. All NYC
channels are on UHF right now.

Tam

ny area hidef antennas?
 

Sal M. Onella wrote:
"Hasan Schiers" wrote in message
...
Jim-NN7K wrote:
ml wrote:
In article , ml
wrote:

hi


As I understand it-- there will be (more, or less), no TV signals in
the LOW vhf (Channel 2-6), there will be some in the High (Ch 7-13 vhf),
and the bulk of the NEW High Def stations will be in the uhf rangeCh 14,


That is NOT correct. our local ABC affiliate is currently on channel 56
UHF and will be reverting to channel 5 VHF in Feb 2009. (at least that's
what they are telling us)

Document http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-07-138A2.xls
is an 1800-record spreadsheet listing the current and proposed channels. Do
what I did and sort it on the NEW DTV channel numbers. You will discover,
as I did, that only a few dozen stations were headed for low-VHF after
transition.

Here are the actual numbers (after the sort):

Records 1 to 37 are on TV Channels 2 - 6
Records 38 to 487 are on TV channels 7 - 13
Records 488 to 1811 are on TV channels 14 - 51

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-07-138A3.xls appears
to be a minor supplement to the big guy, having only 16 records:

Records 1 is on TV Channels 2 - 6
Records 2 to 5 are on TV channels 7 - 13
Records 6 to 13 are on TV channels 14 - 51

Trying to nail this down any better is like trying to nail Jello to the
wall.



Unfortunately the one station on two through six, is our local ABC
affiliate Ch 5, WOI-DT....their signal is going to go into the toilet,
running low power on the vhf low band. (also, most modest to largish TV
antennas have very low gain and a lousy pattern (horrible for
multi-path)on Ch 5 and below. Go figure!

ny area hidef antennas?
 

Hasan Schiers wrote:



Unfortunately the one station on two through six, is our local ABC
affiliate Ch 5, WOI-DT....their signal is going to go into the toilet,
running low power on the vhf low band. (also, most modest to largish TV
antennas have very low gain and a lousy pattern (horrible for
multi-path)on Ch 5 and below. Go figure!

Multipath isn't necessarily a big deal for DTV. The usual receiver has
an adaptive equalizer that deals with it quite nicely, particularly if
the multipath environment is stable. Throw in doppler and fast fading,
and they're not so hot, but that's not a real issue for consumer
residential use.