Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:28:27 -0500, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote in
:

Thanx Jim.

Exactly. If this proves anything, it proves that those who are not
worried about stepping out into the sun, but fear exposure to their
cell phone, they will always be worried about their cell phones.
Let's approach this from first principles. The battery in the phone
is the only source of power. My own as an example has by the
manufacturers rating -
From Nokia for their 6263 model:
BL-5C 1020 mAh Capacity;
Talk time GSM up to 3 hours 20 min;
Stand-by GSM up to 11.25 days
Dump that capacity at a potential of 3.6V for the full talk time after
a fresh charge gives us 1.10 W PER HOUR.
So,I trust you are not saying that all effects from these wonderful
devices are thermal?

One of the problems I see is that frankly, there is a tactic being used
here that is strangely reverse related to the old creationist argument
of if A is wrong, or cannot be proven, then B must be the answer.

It isn't. The warming feeling I noted is almst certainly NOT an actual
thermal effect. I've touched my ear when this has happened, and it isn't
a bit warmer to the touch - it only feels warm in my "headspace".Sorry,
couldn't think of any other words to describe it.

I'm possibly nuts (not all that likely) psychosomatic (maybe, but I doubt
it) or maybe there is something happening here.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Hi Mike,

So, you experience it as a burn, it isn't a burn, and it is as serious
as a burn, but it is otherwise inexplicable.

Richard, I can stuff words into my mouth easily, I don't need help.

So, you experience it as a burn,

I experience it as a warming sensation

it isn't a burn

It's a warming sensation


and it is as serious as a burn,

I don't know if is a serious matter or not. I just report it. I'm not
the only one



This is called an anecdotal report - and the Bible is full of them.

C'mon, Richard. It follows then that cell phone use is proscribed by the
bible? At least according to the local Amish Bishops...

The last statement was nonsense, ant the quote it replied to wasn't much
above it.

I broke my ankle a few years back. It hurt like hell. Of course that's
anecdotal too. 8^)


If it worried you as a real problem, you would probably stop it. This
is a common protocol that needs no authorization from the Pope. If
you don't stop, then perhaps you might want to re-evaluate the
diagnosis of being nuts (avoiding a real problem is NOT
psychosomatic).

I have to carry a cell as part of my work. My average call is less than
a minute. I use it as little as possible.


If it doesn't worry you as a real problem, this is simply navel gazing
and still does not rise to psychosomatic. That's OK too, because hard
science has already finished off the substance of the issue.

For a very narrow issue. One that is not related to what I am looking at.

Thus it devolves to the allowance that, yes, perhaps you might catch
fire if you used your cell phone in your sleep. That should spawn
traffic in yet another side thread that arcs away from antennas.

From the sublime to....

Does it follow then that since I'm not at all likely to spontaneously
combust due to my cell phone use, that there are no effects?

And to think I had some hope that this might turn into a productive
discussion.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -