On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:07:45 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Does it follow then that since I'm not at all likely to spontaneously
combust due to my cell phone use, that there are no effects?

Hi Mike,

Not likely? This "certitude" falls into the same category of
speculation that began this side thread. The rhetoric of "not likely"
automatically admits it into having the same small possibility of cell
phone tumor risk.

In the loose, dataless environment of this debate, spontaneous
combustion from the use of a cell phone is now a reality supported by
dialog. That it is a fiction is overwhelmed by it inhabiting debate
about real worry.

Of course I introduced this tar-baby and it worked. There is no way
to back out of its grip without data now.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:07:45 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Does it follow then that since I'm not at all likely to spontaneously
combust due to my cell phone use, that there are no effects?

Hi Mike,

Not likely? This "certitude" falls into the same category of
speculation that began this side thread. The rhetoric of "not likely"
automatically admits it into having the same small possibility of cell
phone tumor risk.

Admittedly, this is the first time that I have heard "not likely"
turned into certitude. I would at one time have said that wasn't very
likely.

One might begin to think that there is bit of a difference between
scientific discourse and English discourse. That is likely. Whereas I
highly doubt that it would happen, you use that doubt as a springboard
to add to the issue.

All without answering my question!

I doubt that using a cell phone wil cause me to crave lutefisk either.
So we add another possibility to the mix.

Ask a scientist if a singularity might show up and start spitting to
coffee cups S/he will probably say "not likely", when indeed it is
almost impossible, yet not eliminated. Something like almost infinitely
unlikely, depending on if we ascribe to the big crunch eventually
following the big bang, or even the big cigarette. But at least take a
shower. But I digress.....

It doesn't ipso fatso mean they accept that as a real possibility. But
the odds, as scientists look at them, make it difficult to state 100
percent yes or no. We see it all the time on TV cop shows when they go
to court. They even give odds on DNA evidence.

Now onto the concept of spontaneous human composting er combustion....


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Michael Coslo wrote:

...
Now onto the concept of spontaneous human composting er combustion....


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

.... was lazy today; just shaved and looked in the mirror. I do believe
I am more handsome today than yesterday! It is incredible, certainly
NOT my imagination.

So, I stood before and asked the wife if she noticed the drastic
improvement--she did not. But then, she is jealous that way. Since the
multitude of cosmetic products she has applied have only have a minimal
effect, the fact she is green with jealousy limits her ability to truly
appreciate my good fortune--and sudden increase in handsomeness!

I do attribute it to using the cell phone yesterday, perhaps I will have
to re-thing things! 8-)

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

...
Now onto the concept of spontaneous human composting er combustion....


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

... was lazy today; just shaved and looked in the mirror. I do believe
I am more handsome today than yesterday! It is incredible, certainly
NOT my imagination.

So, I stood before and asked the wife if she noticed the drastic
improvement--she did not. But then, she is jealous that way. Since the
multitude of cosmetic products she has applied have only have a minimal
effect, the fact she is green with jealousy limits her ability to truly
appreciate my good fortune--and sudden increase in handsomeness!

I do attribute it to using the cell phone yesterday, perhaps I will have
to re-thing things! 8-)

Regards,
JS

.... well, I certainly going to have to re-check my spelling and words in
my posts. GRIN

Regards,
JS

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:15:38 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Admittedly, this is the first time that I have heard "not likely"
turned into certitude. I would at one time have said that wasn't very
likely.

See how this grows? We are now engaged in debating what is "not
likely," but of course that is how it started out anyway. What is
embraced as a real risk is equally dismissed by the same logic. Anyone
who worries about CNS tumors induced by cell phones, must allow that
they could suffer spontaneous combustion from the same source, same
risk. Risk, after all, is not a thing, it is a number. Without data,
employing risk as rhetoric automatically elevates everything that was
once inconsequential to life threatening.

However, as to your literal statement above, I feel it is "very
likely" that you HAVE heard "not likely" turned into a certitude:
"...due to the nature of Improbability calculations,
that which is Infinitely Improbable is actually very
likely to happen almost immediately..."

And I feel it is "very likely" you can name the author.

QED

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:15:38 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Admittedly, this is the first time that I have heard "not likely"
turned into certitude. I would at one time have said that wasn't very
likely.

See how this grows?

WEll yes. It's highly likey you're pushing it along in that direction
quite vigoously.



However, as to your literal statement above, I feel it is "very
likely" that you HAVE heard "not likely" turned into a certitude:
"...due to the nature of Improbability calculations,
that which is Infinitely Improbable is actually very
likely to happen almost immediately..."

And I feel it is "very likely" you can name the author.


I would have to say that it is Douglas Adams?


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Michael Coslo wrote:


WEll yes. It's highly likey you're pushing it along in that
direction quite vigoously.


sigh..... "vigorously too!

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:33:38 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:


WEll yes. It's highly likey you're pushing it along in that
direction quite vigoously.


sigh..... "vigorously too!

and highly likey.... (I wasn't going to go here until you posted
this. Actually, I LIKED vigoously.)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:33:38 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:

WEll yes. It's highly likey you're pushing it along in that
direction quite vigoously.

sigh..... "vigorously too!

and highly likey.... (I wasn't going to go here until you posted
this. Actually, I LIKED vigoously.)


Well, I didn't want to unjustly accuse you of being to vigoose! ;^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -