"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:04:46 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:

So Americans dominate this thread and now you have the backing of all
American experts that post regularly on this group regarding antennas.

Art, true to my forecast and your character, you dwell on personality
to perpetuate unsubstantiated claims and to avoid technical discourse.
Your first reaction is self-condemning. I am not interested in your
poor opinion of world scientists and engineers. I note you spend very
little time in correspondence with them here in the group, instead
choosing to focus on your trivial issues.

Well it is you who attacks not I and I will not turn the other cheek
as would have me do. It is you and the other experts who say all parallel
circuits must be high impedance not I. It is you who refuses to answer the
question posed by Cecil asking if you were aware that even resistance has
inductance. It is you that belittle the idea that one would make an antenna
based on a filter circuit and
ignore the fact that connection lines between lumped circuits actually
radiate. It is you with the support of the other american experts who
belittle the idea of devising an antenna that was not based on wavelength
and I would readily admit that the names on the 'three simple answers'
thread following this one are knoweledgable but in this case they are in
error in supporting your point of contention as they are many times on this
newsgroup when they regularly attack others.

It is
quite easy for a casual reader to run down the list of some of the
posters
many of which have written books and articles on antennas that gives
legitamacy to your interpretations of science but even if their names are
known to many I doubt it will enhance their reputation by their support.

As if I cared....

Well you should, they all support your contention that All parallel circuits
will have a high impedance as radiation is not regarded as a factor. I for
one do not agree with the many experts on that one since they are refering
to a special case as in small filter circuits, it does not apply when
interconnections are taken into consideration. But then they write articles
so they must be right and one of them has a zillion books that he can
extract formulas from.

You have a tongue for Shakespeare which when spread around loosely may
win
debates but it cannot change science even tho
Shakespearian literature is where you obtained your degree does provide
benefits.

Would I be charged as playing Socrates if I employed the apparently
Greek word Pathetic? Again, you choose to debate style rather than
substance. Unfortunately you have even less capacity to go there.
This continues the observation that you are far more interested in
personalities than technical discussion.

Well every thing hinges around antennas as far as I am concerned\
Cecil asked a antenna based question of you, that surely was not personal
but you refuse to respond, why?


To your credit you are aware
of your utter inferiority to challenge one who has command of the
Queen's English and this no doubt throws chaos into the mix of your
rejected allegiances.

What rejected allegiances are you refering to


You and others have been succesfull in debating this
as a non issue and parallel circuits must present a high impedance

This was the topic of your own origination, note the subject line
above as it is entirely your responsibility for its framing. You were
responded to, to the points offered. It is clear that this forum's
mandate for the discussion of technical issues holds no interest for
you.

You are fully are of why I posed the question and that was to force people
to debate on parallel circuits from a scientific point of view. Yes, you
were good at deception in suggesting you were serious this time and I acknow
ledge that you were succesfull,
now you want me to turn the other cheek to you because Americans on this
forum back you up on a technical point which I disagree with.
I told you before that I was English borne and I will stand firm if I am
attacked even if those come from my adopted country.


I really can't see how we can attract the younger generation to this
hobby

Your vulgar gutter language is no attractive feature by any means.

Jimminy you of all people saying such a thing !


Nuff said ,for now America is to dominate how science is to be seen but
the
next thing is the World to dominate.

Tell that to the Marines. I am not interested in your hate-America

No, I do not hate America I came here by choice and by invitation which
included money not an accident of birth ( it was an accident wasn't it or
did your mother never tell you). America wants people from other countries
desperately such that every ten years amnesty is offered to the rate of a
million per year for those that enter illegally. Police do not interfere
even if a crime is committed unless it is a serious felony . I have met many
from Europe who now do the same thing, yes, old Europe also as on the
accepted nation list for immigrationis lead by a dozen countries that are
non white so it is quicker to get on a plane and come over. This is a free
country and immigrants showed their value in Florida during the elections
and will do so this time in other states to show their value and thanks for
medical care andschooling for their children...all free because America
wants them. However I was legal, all travelling expenses paid for including
family. Even gave me a green card before I set foot in this land. As with
all other immigrant americans I think this is a great country, certainly no
complaints from me, my children and my grandchildren. True, immigrants are
looked down upon but that happens in all countries but we do vote and have a
real impact on this country as we do not have the need for viagra as much as
those born here and thus soon will be a majority. Tell it to the servicemen
you say, well yes I would even tho it was never said to me when I was in
uniform.

baiting.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Your turn, I am holding on a point of science and the antenna that I use and
will not retreat even tho you appear to be well supported by " experts" on
this side of the pond. I suspect that experts in other parts of the World
are watching with a smile as reputations
fall.

Art Unwin KB9MZ.....XG from East London but living quite well
over here. Yes the mercedes I like to drive is an old one but I do have a
new E type in one of my garages that I take out once a week. Large house and
grounds, great pension for engineers from General Electric.. Social
Security.IRAs..travels to Europe,.how can I be against America?
And a big plus is my amateur Radio antenna that nobody else has
because you say it is impossible amongst other things.
Eat your heart out as you watch mexican immigrants walk across your yard
every day because of where you live. You should have saved your money
instead of procrastinating all your life and attacking people if they
disagree with you.

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:47:50 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:

Well it is you who attacks not I and I will not turn the other cheek

Yo' Momma!

as would have me do. It is you and the other experts who say all parallel
circuits must be high impedance not I.

:-)

It is you who refuses to answer the
question posed by Cecil asking if you were aware that even resistance has
inductance.

Gad, what triviality. Can you or he tell us how much? I won't hold
my breath for that answer of Whining of Minimal Distraction.

american experts who

Like I said, I am not interested in your hate-America notions.

It is
quite easy for a casual reader to run down the list of some of the
posters
many of which have written books and articles on antennas that gives
legitamacy to your interpretations of science but even if their names are
known to many I doubt it will enhance their reputation by their support.

As if I cared....

Well you should,

And I still don't.

This was the topic of your own origination, note the subject line
above as it is entirely your responsibility for its framing. You were
responded to, to the points offered. It is clear that this forum's
mandate for the discussion of technical issues holds no interest for
you.

You are fully are of why I posed the question and that was to force people
to debate on parallel circuits from a scientific point of view.

Then take issue with yourself.

because Americans on this

More hate-America.

Your turn, I am holding on a point of science and the antenna that I use and
will not retreat even tho you appear to be well supported by " experts" on
this side of the pond. I suspect that experts in other parts of the World
are watching with a smile as reputations
fall.

.... dreaming in techniclowner and surrender sound.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:47:50 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:
Eat your heart out as you watch mexican immigrants walk across your yard
every day because of where you live.

This is possibly the most vile piece of white trash talk I have ever
encountered. Both of my neighbors, of mexican heritage, to either
side would take serious offense at your ignorant comments as I
encourage their children to free roam my front and back yards in their
innocent play.

Your loathsome comments belong in the gutter.

I will not offer my standard closing and simply sign,
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

This is great ! One benefit of standing up to the likes of you even tho it
is distastfull is that the more you write the more one can see who you
really are. You and others have trashed many people over the years and yes
nasty comments about jews and other antenna experts. Heck didn't Walter just
finish trashing a guy about antennas. ( EH antennas was it) Even Roy
Lewellen did the same thing until the tables turned on him and he left.
Remember how you trashed Chip who talked about fractals, then you trashed
some guy on EH antenas.
There was also the guy who advertises a two element antenna ,boy you really
trashed him and he left. Not sure why W8TI tom left tho I remember many
arguements that ensued regarding his article in QST that many disagreed
with. None of these guys are left even tho they had a huge knowledge about
antennas so it must be galling to you that someone who you disagree with and
are trying to trash is still here, still going like a ever ready battery and
is standing up to you regarding a point of science and will not go away no
matter how much you wriggle and turn or try to paint derogatory things
.. Believe me I will hold my ground against you no matter what flowery
language you constantly use which is really fractured english. And the so
called experts can back you up as much as they want but I know that there
are people in this world
reading this thread who are wondering about their education.
Spouting from a book is not enough, if you cannot understand the basics from
which a formula is derived from then you are doomed
to repeat conclusions about impedance in areas where they don't apply and it
would appear that the so called experts are now fully exposed in the same
way they have tried to expose and trash others.
What goes around comes around. To imitate shakespeare
is not enough to present yourself as an expert in technical matters, even I
as a learner with respect to antennas can see that. What the World sees
regarding all the experts is for themselves to decide.
The technical point at hand is quite clear and has been stated clearly in
this thread and I am absolutely positive that others outside of America
fully understands where you and others have gone wrong. If it goes to print
it will be in RADCOM of the U.K. which has not been contaminated as yet like
QST and where I hope to supply names that are cherry picked who resist
anything new. That will not include you since you are not seen to be a
'name' in antennas but there are plenty of quotes left to draw upon
from the archives.
Your turn Richard, keep writing as it can only be to my benefit
for people to see you for what you are. You could respond to Cecils post
however, remember he wants to know if you are aware that even a resister can
have inductive qualities. The answer can be found in " As you like it" why
are you so embarrased about a simple question? It is just a simple technical
question.
Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:47:50 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:

Well it is you who attacks not I and I will not turn the other cheek

Yo' Momma!

as would have me do. It is you and the other experts who say all parallel
circuits must be high impedance not I.

:-)

It is you who refuses to answer the
question posed by Cecil asking if you were aware that even resistance has
inductance.

Gad, what triviality. Can you or he tell us how much? I won't hold
my breath for that answer of Whining of Minimal Distraction.

american experts who

Like I said, I am not interested in your hate-America notions.

It is
quite easy for a casual reader to run down the list of some of the
posters
many of which have written books and articles on antennas that gives
legitamacy to your interpretations of science but even if their names
are
known to many I doubt it will enhance their reputation by their
support.

As if I cared....

Well you should,

And I still don't.

This was the topic of your own origination, note the subject line
above as it is entirely your responsibility for its framing. You were
responded to, to the points offered. It is clear that this forum's
mandate for the discussion of technical issues holds no interest for
you.

You are fully are of why I posed the question and that was to force
people
to debate on parallel circuits from a scientific point of view.

Then take issue with yourself.

because Americans on this

More hate-America.

Your turn, I am holding on a point of science and the antenna that I use
and
will not retreat even tho you appear to be well supported by " experts"
on
this side of the pond. I suspect that experts in other parts of the World
are watching with a smile as reputations
fall.

... dreaming in techniclowner and surrender sound.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 03:13:02 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:
Racist and hate comments snipped
Your turn Richard,

I see no further technical comment coming from you and I am certainly
not going to respond to your hate-America and anti-immigrant comments
any further.

I will point out all errors you post, but I will no longer respond to
your rebuttals.

Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Heh I am for immigration that is why I am here. As the immigrtion population
gets larger the quicker american polotics will get turned around. But forget
that let Cecil know what you understand regarding his question. It is you
who is now demanding technical
comunication which delights me but you refuse to respond to Cecils technical
question that relates to what is being discussed.
In your absence Richard responded on your behalf but there were assumptions
about what you know. Surely you can respond to a simple technical question
that falls into your field of expertise.
Sooner or later you will run out of silly stuff and people are going to
wonder why you don't respond possibly because your answer
will expose your position with respect to parallel circuits. This thread
carries an awfull lot of your position on parallel circuits for people to
read.
Justify your position for the rest of the World
Art Unwin KB9MZ...XG and still hanging in there and resisting the trash.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 03:13:02 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:
Racist and hate comments snipped
Your turn Richard,

I see no further technical comment coming from you and I am certainly
not going to respond to your hate-America and anti-immigrant comments
any further.

I will point out all errors you post, but I will no longer respond to
your rebuttals.

Richard Clark, KB7QHC

No it is not me, it was you who commented about immigrants walking across
your yard when you referred to me as some sort of immigrant when I disagreed
with you in the past. You live thousands of miles away from me and I have
not been to your State so that information was given to me by you or
possibly passed as a second hand comment of you by one of your friends
on the air. I have a large amount of mexicans and other nationalities living
on my road and they are all doing well via the performance of hard work and
their numbers have swelled in the thirty five years that I have lived in
this community where they are welcome. We also have enough Indians that live
here to support
a full league for playing cricket which comprises of 100 plus young men many
of which are temporary computor engineers for a local company. To be able to
watch a game of cricket in the Midwest is just terrific as is being taken
care of by the Indian doctors that abound. All of these immigrants are to
the benefit of America and is why we are willing to give amnesty to so many.
And you know you would be hard put to match the supreme technical knowledge
that immigrants bring to this country especially since we now have to export
jobs to find people who are capable. And you know many of the immigrants are
placed into the military and fight for us on foreign shores. One of the
american bases I visited a few years ago in Germany had a whole block of
mexicans as residents in uniform which was not to shabby.
Art Unwin KB9MZ......XG...still hanging in there and resisting being trashed
on a technical issue.
Your turn to show what you are made of to add to your description already
revealed.
"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:47:50 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:
Eat your heart out as you watch mexican immigrants walk across your yard
every day because of where you live.

This is possibly the most vile piece of white trash talk I have ever
encountered. Both of my neighbors, of mexican heritage, to either
side would take serious offense at your ignorant comments as I
encourage their children to free roam my front and back yards in their
innocent play.

Your loathsome comments belong in the gutter.

I will not offer my standard closing and simply sign,
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:25:53 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:

No it is not me, it was you who commented about immigrants walking across
your yard

Art,

You are a liar.

Richard Clark, KB7QHC

But Richard you have called me that many times. I am fairly sure that the
comment was made by you on this very forum. And this forum has archives!. If
you didn't comment about mexicans walking across your yard then somebody
posted under your name.
Calling me a liar doesn't phase me any more as it is a tactic that you often
use when placed into a corner. Now on this technical thing just to remind
you The Q formula supplied regarding filter circuits does not include
radiation factors, it also assumes that connecting lengths are absent
(which would normally radiate)
Now my antenna is based on a parallel circuit such as a bandpass filter
which means the connections are such that they do radiate. This must be
taken into account if you trot out the normal Q formula espoused in books
regarding various filter circuits. This can void what you state regarding
parallel circuits and high impedance statements.In fact it doesnt have to be
a filter type circuit to invalidate your position, I would imagine that many
items placed in any parallel circuit would affect it simpedance
but I will stay on track with regard to your statements.
It is for this reason that Cecil asks if you are aware that even resisters
have inductive properties which is a reasonable technical question based on
what you have posted. The antenna that I have is based on a bandpass
parallel circuit and is used for
160 metres and has a band pass of around 7 Khz which is moveable. This
antenna offers a reasonable impedance which does not require an additional
matching circuit so you call me a liar again because of your failure to
understand what the formula for Q was founded upon when dealing with those
small filter circuits to which the formula accompanies. That the so called
antenna experts on this group agrees with you does not phase me a bit unless
you come up with something completely new in an answer to Cecil. I am sure
the experts will give you advice on what to say if you ask them as there is
a definite conflict from this group with the rest of the World. You are
welcome to work 160 metres on my antenna for yourself and measure anything
you want
IF you include a search method to reveal this high impedance which
apparently cannot be avoided and thus be able to call me a liar to my face
when you finally prove your position .Surely that will give you some
satisfaction in finally placing my claim into a trash can and be able to
tell the World that your technical assertions were proved to be correct. But
then you could answer
the question posed to you by another poster and achieve the same thing. So
call me a lier or anything that you want, the more comments you make helps
me to expose you for what you are.
I am not going away for fear of being trashed over a technical point
regardless of how many antenna experts support your position. because of a
formula that is in a book.
Still going, it must fraustrate you that someone who you are attempting to
trash has not gone away as others have done when faced with attack. I am
hoping for some gutter language to break loose as in the past so keep
posting and help me out.
Art Unwin...KB9MZ........XG, yes and also an alien from another country and
paid well to come here and partake in the American dream which rewards hard
work well where words only do not get the job done.
Good night, will check back tomorrow to check out the language that surely
will come out eventually so all can read for themselves..


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:25:53 GMT, "aunwin"
wrote:

No it is not me, it was you who commented about immigrants walking across
your yard

Art,

You are a liar.

Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"aunwin" wrote in message news:1Jv3c.510773$I06.5676239@attbi_s01...
This is great ! One benefit of standing up to the likes of you even tho it
is distastfull is that the more you write the more one can see who you
really are. You and others have trashed many people over the years and yes
nasty comments about jews and other antenna experts.

Art, that is just plain BS.

Heck didn't Walter just
finish trashing a guy about antennas. ( EH antennas was it)

No, he just pointed out the guy is full of BS.
Even Roy
Lewellen did the same thing until the tables turned on him and he left.

No, I suspect he got tired of beating his head against the wall trying
to expose BS.

Remember how you trashed Chip who talked about fractals,

He didn't trash Chip. He just pointed out that certain aspects of his
claims are basically BS. Actually, I think Steve Best was the leading
"thug" in this case.

then you trashed
some guy on EH antenas.

EH antennas? Do you think the claims applied to EH antennas are true?
Yes or no?

There was also the guy who advertises a two element antenna ,boy you really
trashed him and he left.

I don't know about this guy, but if he were trashed on this group,
there was probably a valid scientific basis for it.

Not sure why W8TI tom left tho I remember many
arguements that ensued regarding his article in QST that many disagreed
with.

I suspect same reason as Roy...Got tired of the brick marks on his
head from beating his head against the wall trying to expose BS.

None of these guys are left even tho they had a huge knowledge about
antennas

OK, you say these two guys have a huge knowledge base. "Which I agree
with"
What was the conclusion of their study of your antenna plans? Did you
agree with them? Or did you shun their advice, and claim they were
wrong? Yes or no will do.. This is not trick question.

so it must be galling to you that someone who you disagree with and
are trying to trash is still here, still going like a ever ready battery and
is standing up to you regarding a point of science and will not go away no
matter how much you wriggle and turn or try to paint derogatory things


No I suspect he thinks it's about as funny as I do. I actually live to
read your threads. Best source of entertainment since the comedy
channel.

. Believe me I will hold my ground against you no matter what flowery
language you constantly use which is really fractured english.

We don't doubt that. You do seem to have fortitude.

And the so
called experts can back you up as much as they want but I know that there
are people in this world
reading this thread who are wondering about their education.

And yours also I suspect.

Spouting from a book is not enough, if you cannot understand the basics from
which a formula is derived from then you are doomed
to repeat conclusions about impedance in areas where they don't apply and it
would appear that the so called experts are now fully exposed in the same
way they have tried to expose and trash others.

Right....Art, Richard Harrisons posts were quite clear to *most*. He
also provides references, which you seem to dislike for some reason.
You seem to dislike that he quotes from books often. Myself, I'm glad
he does. That way people can study the appropriate material and decide
for themselves.
The same applies to Richard Clarks posts. They were very clear to
*most*.
But you seem to believe his whole point of replying to *your*
questions was just another exercise of molesting poor ole
Art...Pitiful...

What goes around comes around. To imitate shakespeare
is not enough to present yourself as an expert in technical matters, even I
as a learner with respect to antennas can see that.

He obviously knows more than you do. In spades. But as a "learner
with respect to antennas", you insist on arguing with him and telling
him he's obviously full of BS. This could apply to many of the other
*vanished* posters also...
Do you see a pattern here?

What the World sees
regarding all the experts is for themselves to decide.

What do the "experts" have to do with it? The world only cares if the
antenna works as claimed or not.

The technical point at hand is quite clear and has been stated clearly in
this thread and I am absolutely positive that others outside of America
fully understands where you and others have gone wrong.

Right...

If it goes to print
it will be in RADCOM of the U.K. which has not been contaminated as yet like
QST and where I hope to supply names that are cherry picked who resist
anything new.

I don't resist anything new. I just resist anything new that is
obviuosly BS.
The EH antenna is a prime example. If you want to join this
illustrious group, be my guest. I won't cut you any more slack than I
do the EH guys. The end results won't be pretty. I imagine the EH guys
hate my guts being I dis their masterpiece of blunder. I would also
add deception, but like you and your *program*, I think they are
equally convinced what they have actually works as they claim.

That will not include you since you are not seen to be a
'name' in antennas but there are plenty of quotes left to draw upon
from the archives.

Maybe he should start selling "Clarksticks"....Would he be real to you
then?

Your turn Richard, keep writing as it can only be to my benefit
for people to see you for what you are.

Quite true...:/

So lets see....Who will have the funniest retort for me to read
tommorow morning?
I'm betting on you Art. Don't let me down.
Let the races begin....Ready, steady, GO!!!
MK