wrote:
Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness?

Because the only thing that can propagate through
nothingness is nothing. That should be clear to
the most casual observer.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Sep 16, 5:15*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness?

Because the only thing that can propagate through
nothingness is nothing. That should be clear to
the most casual observer.
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

That would be true if the casual observer did not consider truly empty
space to be nothingness. I do. I do not believe that truly empty space
is "something" because to believe otherwise would be to assume that
nothingness only exists outside of our Universe... nothingness would
not "be" but we define it, so it "is". We know that TEMs can
propagate through truly empty space because TEM waves propagate
through space, some of which must be "empty" space and some of which
is "occupied". I agree that some locii of space, but not all, are
characterized by a wide variety of quantum particles, perhaps only
some of which actually occupy the space associated with them. Bottom
line is that such particles are not required for TEM waves to
propagate and they are not the aether.

wrote:
That would be true if the casual observer did not consider truly empty
space to be nothingness. I do.

That's obviously a logical contradiction. Space is
something. If space is there, then something is there.
If nothing is there, then space cannot possibly be
there.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

That would be true if the casual observer did not consider truly empty
space to be nothingness. I do.

That's obviously a logical contradiction. Space is
something. If space is there, then something is there.
If nothing is there, then space cannot possibly be
there.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

So if nothing is there, it aint nothing after all?

JB wrote:
So if nothing is there, it aint nothing after all?

There is no "there" within the space of our universe
where nothing is there. Casimir effect experiments
have been run on spaces where nothing is supposed to
be. But instead of nothing, they found the quantum soup
which is the space occupied by our universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:
So if nothing is there, it aint nothing after all?

There is no "there" within the space of our universe
where nothing is there. Casimir effect experiments
have been run on spaces where nothing is supposed to
be. But instead of nothing, they found the quantum soup
which is the space occupied by our universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Don't blame me, I never spilled any quantum soup in your space.

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness?

Because the only thing that can propagate through
nothingness is nothing. That should be clear to
the most casual observer.

Well, yeah, makes sense to me ... but then, apparently not others ...
not 100% sure, but yeah, that is where I am at, at the present time.

First that "sea" must fill the void to give us a "media" (ocean) to sail
.... and most certainly a must for RF/light to propagate through!

Regards,
JS

Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness?

Because the only thing that can propagate through
nothingness is nothing. That should be clear to
the most casual observer.

Well, yeah, makes sense to me ... but then, apparently not others ...
not 100% sure, but yeah, that is where I am at, at the present time.

First that "sea" must fill the void to give us a "media" (ocean) to sail
... and most certainly a must for RF/light to propagate through!

Regards,
JS

But if nothingness is something (because it has a name) then you can
propagate through it because even nothingness is something so that can be
our "media". In fact it must be the perfect medium because it has a
velocity factor of 1.

JB wrote:

...
But if nothingness is something (because it has a name) then you can
propagate through it because even nothingness is something so that can be
our "media". In fact it must be the perfect medium because it has a
velocity factor of 1.


JB:

Please, just consider these few words, "You can't 'see' nothing! You
can't go 'through nothing' (or, go to nothing)."

I know, it is too simple, one wonders how he missed the concept--nothing
is just what it means--nothing!

You are "seeing something" when you look at space (and, I know, it IS
hard to swallow--"time" brings ones' thinking into line on this, or, it
worked for me ... )

Regards,
JS

Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness?

Because the only thing that can propagate through
nothingness is nothing. That should be clear to
the most casual observer.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

So you are trying to tell me that if I completely evacuate a sealed glass
jar it then contains space? That's like saying the absence of light is
darkness. True as a conceptual description of nothingness. If you choose
to rename nothingness, does that mean it aint nothin? You guys have too
much time on your hands.