"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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JB wrote:
So you are trying to tell me that if I completely evacuate a sealed
glass
jar it then contains space?

Casimir effect experiments have been run in
a vacuum and proved there is lots of "stuff"
still there even in empty space. There is
no such thing as nothingness, at least not
within the space of our universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Ok now yer giving me a headache by explaining an observation on theories
based upon theories base upon theories. In the Casimir experiments, there
are plates or shapes deliberately placed in the vacuum.

Quantum theory goes too far into the theoretical for my taste. It is a
curious mental and mathematical exercise but it reminds me of Leibnitz'
Monad theory of existence. It doesn't help me with antenna performance. Go
there without me.

JB wrote:
Ok now yer giving me a headache by explaining an observation on theories
based upon theories base upon theories.

Welcome to Flatland. :-)
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

JB wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:
So you are trying to tell me that if I completely evacuate a sealed
glass
jar it then contains space?
Casimir effect experiments have been run in
a vacuum and proved there is lots of "stuff"
still there even in empty space. There is
no such thing as nothingness, at least not
within the space of our universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Ok now yer giving me a headache by explaining an observation on theories
based upon theories base upon theories. In the Casimir experiments, there
are plates or shapes deliberately placed in the vacuum.

Quantum theory goes too far into the theoretical for my taste. It is a
curious mental and mathematical exercise but it reminds me of Leibnitz'
Monad theory of existence. It doesn't help me with antenna performance. Go
there without me.


The Casimir effect is NOT theory. It's pretty easily detected and
measured, as quantum things go.

tom
K0TAR

JB wrote:
... It doesn't help me with antenna performance. Go
there without me.


I can see the "spirit" you said that in, however, that statement could
not be further from the truth ... "it" (or "those" theories and
"ponderings"--space-structure/ether) is the whole reason why a signal
gets from point a to point b ...

We cannot know if there are possibly better ways to manipulate
this/these mediums, or if it is possible to design antennas "better" to
manipulate "it", until we know what "it" is ... barring "dumb luck" and
someone just "stumbles" onto some antenna which shows some improvement,
somehow.

But yes; build something from present-day data/technology, it looks as
if all this is going to take a bit before we know.

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
... if all this is going to take a bit before we know.

How about a repeater that utilizes entangled photons?
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
... if all this is going to take a bit before we know.

How about a repeater that utilizes entangled photons?

Cecil:

If I had not seen direct cases of where truth is stranger than fiction
.... I'd laugh. ;-)

Krist, who knows? Someone could be building one in their garage right
now! :-P

Regards,
JS