On Sep 18, 9:29*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 18, 8:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Sep 18, 7:02*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition

I am having a go at this before I read the questions!!!!

Ok, let's test your logic. *So far, I've seen exactly one prediction
of yours worth testing. *It's you claim that current flows primarily
in the center of a conductor. *Avoiding the math for now, let's do the
necessary thought experiments. *If this were a court of law, the judge
would prepare a set of rhetorical questions, all of which must be true
if the plaintiffs claims were true. *I'll do the same.

1. *If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? *The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at end

Answer
Not so a length of radiator which is a fractional wavelenth will have
charges in motion on the outside creating radiation
the rest of the charge length will be inside the radiator where a
magnetic field cannot be created and particles if they were present
cannot pierce the eddy current on the surface. For radiation at all
times the radiator must be a wavelength or multiple thereof or a
period of the frequency in use for radiation to not disappear from the
surface where the levitating force is present to eject particles

2. *If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. *Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

Answer
Not so. the increase in diameter does not affect conditions *that are
exposed to air
thus the progression of skin depth is the same. Thus copper losses on
the inside circuit
will be reduced as well as lost radiation resistance in the circuit. I
previously stated that
copper losses on the inside of a fractional wavelength antenna must be
considered separately from the groundplain resistance
which is required i.e. they are two separate resistances in series.

Answer

3. *How does a cage antenna work? *The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. *If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I am not familiar with a cage antenna but from the above description
is
*that it is transformed into a Farady cage

Answer

I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. *Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Hmm why not?

Got any more prediction? *I need the target practice.

Yes
Earlier I pointed to the fact that eddy current can be neutralised
such that particles canot be ejected from the surface
Indeependent testing showed there was nothing to prevent particles
from settling on a diamagnetic substance thereby inducing
an oscillation . At the same time on the transmitting side the
particles were still present on the diamagnetic surface because the
ejection force
was neutralised thus preventing ejection otherwise seen as
transmission.

Another one
The computor on the first example disapointed me as I expected a
higher gain (stated on this net)When I corrected the nullification of
the foucault current by separation the computor program gave the gain
I initiall expected in gun shot form which migrates in a way to a
lazer ray which is oif a similar science
thus HF does not necessarily have to diverge such that gain is
nullified.

If you want more target to aim at listen for the BIG BANG and then aim
at the resulting BLACK HOLE

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Art

Here is another on per Newton *for stabalization ech action has an
opposite
reaction. I have pointed to the construct to represent these two
forces where the
rotators are at right angles to each other as with the Foucault
current.
On a terrstial scale tidal forces must also produce eddy currents of
circulating water.
Such large areas have beem found lately of the coast of Spain which is
now widening the search
rather than relying on idle reports from shipping. Since weather is
also in terrestial form a storm force
by definition requires the same force for stabalisation thus the whirl
pool and the tornado. Note the reaction force is sometimes swamped by
the
providing force by paramagnetic effects tho with respect to tornadoes
droplets of water as well as the particles at rest are drawn up into
the sky where water as a diamagnetic material provides a shift in
energy of a static form. Jeff everything seems to mesh with what I am
disclosing In addition when the droplets of water gets colder and
turns to ice the resident particles are forced to find a new home and
gyrate towards water which trees and humans consist of. The contained
energy of such particles is so small that it is inconseivable that
serch for a new resting place would contain energy of stellar size
but the movement of such particles at a high speed would provide
harmonic motion to the particles to generate a swarth of different
frequencies.
And it gos on and on
Art

Added observation
In the UK it is not unusual after a storm to find isolated patches of
frogs etc far from their normal habitat
A frog consists mainly of water upon which the surface is covered with
particles such that the frog is drawn up
in the Newton cycle. Unfortunately the frog does not freeze such that
the particles need to move away.
Unfortunately the frog falls a long way back to the ground again. The
same thing has happened with fish and frogspawn
after a storm
Art

On Sep 18, 9:29*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 18, 8:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Sep 18, 7:02*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition

I am having a go at this before I read the questions!!!!

Ok, let's test your logic. *So far, I've seen exactly one prediction
of yours worth testing. *It's you claim that current flows primarily
in the center of a conductor. *Avoiding the math for now, let's do the
necessary thought experiments. *If this were a court of law, the judge
would prepare a set of rhetorical questions, all of which must be true
if the plaintiffs claims were true. *I'll do the same.

1. *If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? *The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at end

Answer
Not so a length of radiator which is a fractional wavelenth will have
charges in motion on the outside creating radiation
the rest of the charge length will be inside the radiator where a
magnetic field cannot be created and particles if they were present
cannot pierce the eddy current on the surface. For radiation at all
times the radiator must be a wavelength or multiple thereof or a
period of the frequency in use for radiation to not disappear from the
surface where the levitating force is present to eject particles

2. *If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. *Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

Answer
Not so. the increase in diameter does not affect conditions *that are
exposed to air
thus the progression of skin depth is the same. Thus copper losses on
the inside circuit
will be reduced as well as lost radiation resistance in the circuit. I
previously stated that
copper losses on the inside of a fractional wavelength antenna must be
considered separately from the groundplain resistance
which is required i.e. they are two separate resistances in series.

Answer

3. *How does a cage antenna work? *The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. *If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I am not familiar with a cage antenna but from the above description
is
*that it is transformed into a Farady cage

Answer

I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. *Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Hmm why not?

Got any more prediction? *I need the target practice.

Yes
Earlier I pointed to the fact that eddy current can be neutralised
such that particles canot be ejected from the surface
Indeependent testing showed there was nothing to prevent particles
from settling on a diamagnetic substance thereby inducing
an oscillation . At the same time on the transmitting side the
particles were still present on the diamagnetic surface because the
ejection force
was neutralised thus preventing ejection otherwise seen as
transmission.

Another one
The computor on the first example disapointed me as I expected a
higher gain (stated on this net)When I corrected the nullification of
the foucault current by separation the computor program gave the gain
I initiall expected in gun shot form which migrates in a way to a
lazer ray which is oif a similar science
thus HF does not necessarily have to diverge such that gain is
nullified.

If you want more target to aim at listen for the BIG BANG and then aim
at the resulting BLACK HOLE

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Art

Here is another on per Newton *for stabalization ech action has an
opposite
reaction. I have pointed to the construct to represent these two
forces where the
rotators are at right angles to each other as with the Foucault
current.
On a terrstial scale tidal forces must also produce eddy currents of
circulating water.
Such large areas have beem found lately of the coast of Spain which is
now widening the search
rather than relying on idle reports from shipping. Since weather is
also in terrestial form a storm force
by definition requires the same force for stabalisation thus the whirl
pool and the tornado. Note the reaction force is sometimes swamped by
the
providing force by paramagnetic effects tho with respect to tornadoes
droplets of water as well as the particles at rest are drawn up into
the sky where water as a diamagnetic material provides a shift in
energy of a static form. Jeff everything seems to mesh with what I am
disclosing In addition when the droplets of water gets colder and
turns to ice the resident particles are forced to find a new home and
gyrate towards water which trees and humans consist of. The contained
energy of such particles is so small that it is inconseivable that
serch for a new resting place would contain energy of stellar size
but the movement of such particles at a high speed would provide
harmonic motion to the particles to generate a swarth of different
frequencies.
And it gos on and on
Art

Another prediction
Particles are known to collect in bunches where the bunch contains
three basic electrons
bound together by the force of colour which is known to be very strong
Ofcourse not all
of the particles bunch together as previously stated. When the color
bound bunch of electrons
come into contact with a strong magnetic field, the strongest being at
the poles the electons are torn apart releasing
the binding energy in a aurora that spreads for thousands of miles. In
the case of a lazer on can imagine that that same particle
is similar to others but with the vestiges of color and we know that
the energy emmitted dose not fan out giving strength to my antenna
which also
gravitate to a non spreading relation ship.
And it goes on and on and..
Art

On Sep 18, 9:29*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 18, 8:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Sep 18, 7:02*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition

I am having a go at this before I read the questions!!!!

Ok, let's test your logic. *So far, I've seen exactly one prediction
of yours worth testing. *It's you claim that current flows primarily
in the center of a conductor. *Avoiding the math for now, let's do the
necessary thought experiments. *If this were a court of law, the judge
would prepare a set of rhetorical questions, all of which must be true
if the plaintiffs claims were true. *I'll do the same.

1. *If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? *The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at end

Answer
Not so a length of radiator which is a fractional wavelenth will have
charges in motion on the outside creating radiation
the rest of the charge length will be inside the radiator where a
magnetic field cannot be created and particles if they were present
cannot pierce the eddy current on the surface. For radiation at all
times the radiator must be a wavelength or multiple thereof or a
period of the frequency in use for radiation to not disappear from the
surface where the levitating force is present to eject particles

2. *If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. *Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

Answer
Not so. the increase in diameter does not affect conditions *that are
exposed to air
thus the progression of skin depth is the same. Thus copper losses on
the inside circuit
will be reduced as well as lost radiation resistance in the circuit. I
previously stated that
copper losses on the inside of a fractional wavelength antenna must be
considered separately from the groundplain resistance
which is required i.e. they are two separate resistances in series.

Answer

3. *How does a cage antenna work? *The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. *If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I am not familiar with a cage antenna but from the above description
is
*that it is transformed into a Farady cage

Answer

I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. *Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Hmm why not?

Got any more prediction? *I need the target practice.

Yes
Earlier I pointed to the fact that eddy current can be neutralised
such that particles canot be ejected from the surface
Indeependent testing showed there was nothing to prevent particles
from settling on a diamagnetic substance thereby inducing
an oscillation . At the same time on the transmitting side the
particles were still present on the diamagnetic surface because the
ejection force
was neutralised thus preventing ejection otherwise seen as
transmission.

Another one
The computor on the first example disapointed me as I expected a
higher gain (stated on this net)When I corrected the nullification of
the foucault current by separation the computor program gave the gain
I initiall expected in gun shot form which migrates in a way to a
lazer ray which is oif a similar science
thus HF does not necessarily have to diverge such that gain is
nullified.

If you want more target to aim at listen for the BIG BANG and then aim
at the resulting BLACK HOLE

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Art

Here is another on per Newton *for stabalization ech action has an
opposite
reaction. I have pointed to the construct to represent these two
forces where the
rotators are at right angles to each other as with the Foucault
current.
On a terrstial scale tidal forces must also produce eddy currents of
circulating water.
Such large areas have beem found lately of the coast of Spain which is
now widening the search
rather than relying on idle reports from shipping. Since weather is
also in terrestial form a storm force
by definition requires the same force for stabalisation thus the whirl
pool and the tornado. Note the reaction force is sometimes swamped by
the
providing force by paramagnetic effects tho with respect to tornadoes
droplets of water as well as the particles at rest are drawn up into
the sky where water as a diamagnetic material provides a shift in
energy of a static form. Jeff everything seems to mesh with what I am
disclosing In addition when the droplets of water gets colder and
turns to ice the resident particles are forced to find a new home and
gyrate towards water which trees and humans consist of. The contained
energy of such particles is so small that it is inconseivable that
serch for a new resting place would contain energy of stellar size
but the movement of such particles at a high speed would provide
harmonic motion to the particles to generate a swarth of different
frequencies.
And it gos on and on
Art

It is argued that emmisission from the Sun consist of Leptons which
have different flavours
I submit that what you are seing is neutrinos which by virture of the
coupling forces with other neutrinos which generate different
"flavours"
Some bunches provide a coupling force and thus produces what is termed
a coupling force of three primary colors
Tho arora is a result of separation there is noo reason to believe
that only single particles make it to earth even tho colour is
distincly ly a part of polar aurora. In the case of light or lazer
ejection the final color depends on the coupling between neutros and
the primary color binding thst they posses
Thus lepton are nothing but smoke equivalentsin single or different
bunching form which while the sun is burning will continue to be
emitted by the sun as the arbitrary boundary expands and release
particles to re attain equilibrium. When a eruption occurrs within the
sun occurrs the escaping particles also include particles of a 100
percent energy with respect to life of the particle. It is when such
erruptions occur local networks are in danger with the settling
of particles with a high degree of energy which can over load the
network and create failure. At the sam etime such an erruption is a
reflection of the number of short life particles which are suitable
for particle ejection because they aproach the static level of energy
such that they can be ejected or levitated. All of this can be deduced
by the use of an arbtrary field as used by Gauss with the addition of
observations seen in his future to which he was not privy to. Maxwell
did not use the arbritary border system as he was a mathematician
combining number combinations for simplification. Fortunately all the
laws of others with which he played with included a vevtor required to
fill the gap in the vector arrangement so it would conform with
Newtons law
even tho they could not explain what the missing vector represented.
If other scientists did not include this vector which was absent in
their observations
then Maxwells laws would eventually prove to be useless.
And it goes on and on and
Goodnight
Art Unwin KB9MZ.......xg
Tomorrow honey dooo's

On Sep 18, 10:44*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 18, 9:29*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Sep 18, 8:52*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Sep 18, 7:02*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition

I am having a go at this before I read the questions!!!!

Ok, let's test your logic. *So far, I've seen exactly one prediction
of yours worth testing. *It's you claim that current flows primarily
in the center of a conductor. *Avoiding the math for now, let's do the
necessary thought experiments. *If this were a court of law, the judge
would prepare a set of rhetorical questions, all of which must be true
if the plaintiffs claims were true. *I'll do the same.

1. *If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? *The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at end

Answer
Not so a length of radiator which is a fractional wavelenth will have
charges in motion on the outside creating radiation
the rest of the charge length will be inside the radiator where a
magnetic field cannot be created and particles if they were present
cannot pierce the eddy current on the surface. For radiation at all
times the radiator must be a wavelength or multiple thereof or a
period of the frequency in use for radiation to not disappear from the
surface where the levitating force is present to eject particles

2. *If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. *Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

Answer
Not so. the increase in diameter does not affect conditions *that are
exposed to air
thus the progression of skin depth is the same. Thus copper losses on
the inside circuit
will be reduced as well as lost radiation resistance in the circuit. I
previously stated that
copper losses on the inside of a fractional wavelength antenna must be
considered separately from the groundplain resistance
which is required i.e. they are two separate resistances in series.

Answer

3. *How does a cage antenna work? *The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. *If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I am not familiar with a cage antenna but from the above description
is
*that it is transformed into a Farady cage

Answer

I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. *Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Hmm why not?

Got any more prediction? *I need the target practice.

Yes
Earlier I pointed to the fact that eddy current can be neutralised
such that particles canot be ejected from the surface
Indeependent testing showed there was nothing to prevent particles
from settling on a diamagnetic substance thereby inducing
an oscillation . At the same time on the transmitting side the
particles were still present on the diamagnetic surface because the
ejection force
was neutralised thus preventing ejection otherwise seen as
transmission.

Another one
The computor on the first example disapointed me as I expected a
higher gain (stated on this net)When I corrected the nullification of
the foucault current by separation the computor program gave the gain
I initiall expected in gun shot form which migrates in a way to a
lazer ray which is oif a similar science
thus HF does not necessarily have to diverge such that gain is
nullified.

If you want more target to aim at listen for the BIG BANG and then aim
at the resulting BLACK HOLE

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Art

Here is another on per Newton *for stabalization ech action has an
opposite
reaction. I have pointed to the construct to represent these two
forces where the
rotators are at right angles to each other as with the Foucault
current.
On a terrstial scale tidal forces must also produce eddy currents of
circulating water.
Such large areas have beem found lately of the coast of Spain which is
now widening the search
rather than relying on idle reports from shipping. Since weather is
also in terrestial form a storm force
by definition requires the same force for stabalisation thus the whirl
pool and the tornado. Note the reaction force is sometimes swamped by
the
providing force by paramagnetic effects tho with respect to tornadoes
droplets of water as well as the particles at rest are drawn up into
the sky where water as a diamagnetic material provides a shift in
energy of a static form. Jeff everything seems to mesh with what I am
disclosing In addition when the droplets of water gets colder and
turns to ice the resident particles are forced to find a new home and
gyrate towards water which trees and humans consist of. The contained
energy of such particles is so small that it is inconseivable that
serch for a new resting place would contain energy of stellar size
but the movement of such particles at a high speed would provide
harmonic motion to the particles to generate a swarth of different
frequencies.
And it gos on and on
Art

It is argued that emmisission from the Sun consist of Leptons which
have different flavours
I submit that what you are seing is neutrinos which by virture of the
coupling forces with other neutrinos which generate different
"flavours"
Some bunches provide a coupling force and thus produces what is termed
a coupling force of three primary colors
Tho arora is a result of separation there is noo reason to believe
that only single particles make it to earth even tho colour is
distincly ly a part of polar aurora. In the case of light or lazer
ejection the final color depends on the coupling between neutros and
the primary color binding thst they posses
Thus lepton are nothing but smoke equivalentsin single or different
bunching form which while the sun is burning will continue to be
emitted by the sun as the arbitrary boundary expands and release
particles to re attain equilibrium. When a eruption occurrs within the
sun occurrs the escaping particles also include particles of a 100
percent energy with respect to life of the particle. It is when such
erruptions occur local networks are in danger *with the settling
of particles with a high degree of energy which can over load the
network and create failure. At the sam etime such an erruption is a
reflection of the number of short life particles which are suitable
for particle ejection because they aproach the static level of energy
such that they can be ejected or levitated. All of this can be deduced
by the use of an arbtrary field as used by Gauss with the addition of
observations seen in his future to which he was not privy to. Maxwell
did not use the arbritary border system as he was a mathematician
combining number combinations for simplification. Fortunately all the
laws of others with which he played with included a vevtor required to
fill the gap in the vector arrangement so it would conform with
Newtons law
even tho they could not explain what the missing vector represented.
If other scientists did not include this vector which was absent in
their observations
then Maxwells laws would eventually prove to be useless.
And it goes on and on and
Goodnight
Art Unwin KB9MZ.......xg
Tomorrow honey dooo's

Yuno I am not fully convinced that Gauss did not provide the extension
to the law of Statics
as circumstances point to unsatisfactory performance by his assistant.
Gauss primarily a mathematician
interested in astomanry. visited a friend in Italy whose interest was
in magnetics so it was natural during his stay that Gauss would
cooperate
in the work even tho it was far from his choice of interest. It was at
that time that the law of statics evolved which is some distance from
magnetism
so I see no reason why he would not have added my extension.
Unfortunatelly his mathematical talents was not producing enough money
to live and it is
believed by some that this was due to his assistant not putting
Gauss's notes in order for publishing. Gauss was offered a job in a
Itallian observatory and his dabbling in magnetism and associated
areas came to a halt or abandoned. After Gaus died his former
assistant appeared on the scientific scene with discoveries that many
considered beyond his interlect which then produced rumors that
finally faded away. So in away what I am relating is a detective story
of the fraudulent happenings of yesteryear where the penalty of fraud
was never enacted because of death. I know science blabber with no
proof
but it would make for a good detective story or sci fi. Maybe I found
those very notes and is now claiming them as solely mine and possibly
a distant relative of the fraudulent nature. David now is your
chance, redirect your energies so justice comes about
Art

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:52:26 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin
wrote:

On Sep 18, 7:02*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
...where as, your expertise in mathematics can test
the logic to its limits which defy opposition

I am having a go at this before I read the questions!!!!

A go at what? That was your statement that I quoted.

1. *If current flows along the inside of a wire, and not on the
outside, how does the field radiate through the alleged non-conducting
outer part of the wires? *The radiation would be trapped inside the
conductor, only to perhaps emerge at end

Due to the length of your extended sentences, I have to edit them in
sections to extract individual concepts.

a length of radiator which is a fractional wavelenth will have
charges in motion on the outside

I thought you said that fractional wavelength antennas have maximum
current on the inside of the conductor. (I'm lazy and don't want to
search for the specific quote). Please decide if it's inside or
outside.

creating radiation
the rest of the charge length will be inside the radiator where a
magnetic field cannot be created and particles if they were present
cannot pierce the eddy current on the surface.

Particles? Where do I get a bottle of RF?

Eddy currents only occur when there is an opposing magnetic field
restricting the flow of electrons. You might have such a problem in a
transformer design, but nobody designs match boxes, xformers, and
antennas that way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current

RF current flows on the outside of a conductor whether it's shorter or
longer than one wavelength long. Show me a formula where there's a
break point at 1 wavelength.

For radiation at all
times the radiator must be a wavelength or multiple thereof or a
period of the frequency in use for radiation to not disappear from the
surface where the levitating force is present to eject particles

Particles? Where do I get a bottle of RF?

My 80 meter antenna is considerably shorter than one wavelength. No
loading coils but a suitable match box. Are you telling me that my
antenna does not radiate?

2. *If current flow along the inside of a wire, then it would seem
that increasing the effective diameter of the conductor would have no
effect on its impedance. *Measurements of the Q of large diameter
conductors versus small diameter conductors have show that impedance
goes down with an increase in wire diameter.

the increase in diameter does not affect conditions that are
exposed to air
thus the progression of skin depth is the same.

My antennas are not affected by air. The dielectric constant of air
and a vacuum are sufficiently close to be considered identical. How
does the Q or impedance of an antenna change when exposed to air?

Thus copper losses on
the inside circuit
will be reduced as well as lost radiation resistance in the circuit.

What inside circuit? Do you mean the inside of the conductor?
Radiation resistance is increased or decreased, not lost. It's not a
quantity that can be bottled or sold.

I
previously stated that
copper losses on the inside of a fractional wavelength antenna must be
considered separately from the groundplain resistance
which is required i.e. they are two separate resistances in series.

Why must they be considered separately? My radiation resistance
calculations are the vector sum of the antenna impedance and any
resistive losses that present in the conductors. The radiation
resistance is not a resistance that can be added. It's an impedance
that has a phase angle that must be added as a vector.

3. *How does a cage antenna work? *The effective diameter is huge, but
there's a giant hole in the middle, through which no current is
conducted. *If most of the RF current flowed through the center, and
there is no center, then a cage antenna can't work.

I am not familiar with a cage antenna but from the above description
is
that it is transformed into a Farady cage

Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_antenna
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2001/05/03/2/
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=144503 (see drawing)
It's usually an HF dipole with insulating spreaders at each end. One
wire per spreader. This creates an effective wire diameter equal to
the spreader diameter without the necessity of using a huge piece of
tubing. The large effective conductor diameter increases the
operating bandwidth of the antenna. No effect on the gain or pattern.

No, I don't mean an elephant cage antenna:
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/an-flr-9.htm
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:%2F%2Fbbs.keyhole.com%2Fubb%2Fdownload .php%3FNumber%3D112921&t=k&om=1&ie=UTF8&ll=61.2645 8,-149.847829&spn=0.00654,0.01914&z=16
I want one...

I can conjur a few more rhetorical questions, but these should be
sufficient to illustrate the problem. *Your antenna current
distribution model does not fit very well with tested reality.

Hmm why not?

Because I don't have infinite amounts of time to continue doing this.
I supplied 3 examples of common measurements and constructs that do
not fit into your model of current being maximum at the center of a
conductor. That will have to suffice for now, or at least until I
need some more entertainment.

Got any more prediction? *I need the target practice.

Yes
Earlier I pointed to the fact that eddy current can be neutralised
such that particles canot be ejected from the surface

That's fine. Now, how do I measure those eddy currents? How are they
calculated? What affects their value. Where do I get a bottle of RF
particles?

Indeependent testing showed there was nothing to prevent particles
from settling on a diamagnetic substance thereby inducing
an oscillation .

An antenna by itself cannot oscillate (except maybe in the wind). If
particles "settled" on the antenna, its weight would increase. How
much?

Are you familiar with the definition of diamagnetic?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism
Copper is non-magnetic. None of my antennas levitate themselves.
Diamagnetism will not create oscillations.

At the same time on the transmitting side the
particles were still present on the diamagnetic surface because the
ejection force
was neutralised thus preventing ejection otherwise seen as
transmission.

Huh? What ejection force. If there were an ejecting or levitation
force on a copper antenna, it would be measurable. How?

Another one
The computor on the first example disapointed me as I expected a
higher gain (stated on this net)

Here we agree. Measured gain always seems to be less than calculated
gain. That's due to the myriad of minor factors left out of the
calculations.

When I corrected the nullification of
the foucault current by separation the computor program gave the gain

Separation from what? Foucault current is exactly the same as eddy
current. Since your separate computer program generated numbers,
could I trouble you for the results? Incidentally, eddy currents are
always losses, not gains.

I initiall expected in gun shot form which migrates in a way to a
lazer ray which is oif a similar science
thus HF does not necessarily have to diverge such that gain is
nullified.

Brain overload. Cannot compute. Error....error....error... imminent
meltdown predicted.... abort... abort... pfffffffzt!

If you want more target to aim at listen for the BIG BANG and then aim
at the resulting BLACK HOLE

Too late. My brain just collapsed into a black hole and will soon go
super nova.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

A vector diagram that shows a charge at rest on the surface of a
radiator which shows that there is no opposing vector at the center.
Then we have a radiator that is not in equilibrium. In that case i
would place a vector on the surface and another vector at the center.
Thus charges are in motion both on the outside and the inside of the
radiator.I base this on the reasoning that the inner resistance is
less
than 377 where an arc is produced at the ends. the idea that the
leading edge of current flow will reverse at the radiator ends and
oppose the trailing current is just beyond my thinking as you do not
have a closed circuit. I have not seen an illustration that shows
current that reverses upon itself in a open circuit.
Regards
Art

Art, I am totally confused. I don't understand what you are
trying to say. Can you explain what you mean by the term
"Vector"? For something to be called a vector it must meet
a number of precise mathematical criteria. Note the
"Formal definition" at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_space

73, Frank

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
...
That test proved that reprocity with respect to radiation is not a
given!.
I had neutralised the weak force such that particles could arrive but
not depart!

Now that is worth a nobel prize! publish that and get it peer reviewed in a
respectable physics journal and i will personally nominate you for a nobel!

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
...
In one of the management classes I took

Oh, so that is what is wrong with you... sorry I didn't know you had a
serious handicap, I'll go easier on you from now on.

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
...
It is argued that emmisission from the Sun consist of Leptons which
have different flavours

do they come in cherry?

Some bunches provide a coupling force and thus produces what is termed
a coupling force of three primary colors

I prefer puce, or maybe mauve... do they come in those colors?

Tho arora is a result of separation there is noo reason to believe
that only single particles make it to earth even tho colour is
distincly ly a part of polar aurora.

now thats an interesting theory... aurora represents the quark colors! why
didn't i think of that one! unfortunately art, this one IS well known and
studied and is obviously the excitation of oxygen and nitrogen by the highly
charged particles in the solar wind captured in the earth's magnetic
field..... sorry, too technical? i forgot you had the management handicap
and couldn't read that many technical words in a row... i'll try to be more
careful in the future.

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
...
David now is your
chance, redirect your energies so justice comes about

yep, now it makes much more sense. art's management background now explains
much of his behavior perfectly... this is the final necessary step,
reassigning the underling to a worthless project to remove them from the
productive project. It also explains the endless flow of technobabble, the
grabbing on to recent events that have neat new buzzwords to add into his
vocabulary, and the utter lack of understanding of basic principles. yes
art, I'm glad you finally revealed the management background, it makes this
all come into perfect focus. now we can all help you to continue your rise
up the ladder to your maximum level of incompetence, or is that
incontinence?? no, must be incompetence since everyone knows managers have
a high bladder to brain ratio so can outlast everyone else at meetings...
that must carry over to newsgroup posting also, you can sit at the keyboard
and babble on longer than any of us that have a much lower bladder to brain
ratio. come to think of it... gotta run... nice wx coming this weekend so I
won't be around much, please go easy on the rest of the audience, they may
not understand the management handicap as well.