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Clarifying Space, "Ether" and Nothingness
On Sep 22, 1:36*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote: I think the particles of a photon pass though the ether unhindered, why? Without the ether a photon would certainly be "hindered". :-) How many photons have you ever known to leave the universe? -- 73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein By the way, do black holes swallow ether which passes beyong the event horizon of a black hole? That doesn't make sense since light *enters* the black holes due to high force. Then the ether must remain intact on both sides of the event horizon. Might Einstein have been talking about the ether of being the FORCE of gravity itself (in our point of reference), which would be an abstract ether, not a physical one? |
Clarifying Space, "Ether" and Nothingness
On Sep 22, 8:55*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
JB wrote: Oh but if it can make the clock disappear as easily as sucking out all the ether... Sorry, I don't recall saying that sucking out all the ether is even possible, much less easy. -- 73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein It is difficult to suck out an abstraction (at least without imbibing in the spirits). |
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On Sep 22, 9:38*pm, "JB" wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message ... JB wrote: * So a black cloth is somehow able to displace the Ether? "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... What a strange irrational conclusion. JB wrote: Oh but if it can make the clock disappear as easily as sucking out all the ether... Gotcha. Man, whatever you are on, I'd try it once, in the mountains, on a weekend, but only if medical science could guarantee there wasn't permanent brain damage or flashbacks--and it wore off shortly! Maybe a twelve-step program?; *have you considered that? Regards, JS Looking for substance?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never mind his silly senility eruptions. I think he had one too many LSD trips in the 60's. |
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JB wrote:
... Looking for substance? Not a substance then?; My gawd man, then consider mental health! Regards, JS |
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It is difficult to suck out an abstraction (at least without imbibing
in the spirits). BINGO! |
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Looking for substance? Not a substance then?; My gawd man, then consider mental health! Regards, JS Man, You're the ones sucking up all the Ether and blowing smoke rings. |
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It is so encouraging to note that our technical gurus gain their scientific basis from the science writers at time.com. Wikipedia too ;-) You are certainly free to prove them wrong. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein |
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That would be the total sum of all photons that have ever passed beyond the event horizons of all black holes in the universe. That might turn out to be quite a few photons. I don't consider black holes to be outside of the universe. In fact, massive black holes are the opposite of "absolute nothing". They are so massive, they have collapsed the structure of space, i.e. the ether. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein |
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By the way, do black holes swallow ether which passes beyond the event horizon of a black hole? Yes, the structure of space collapses along with everything else. Might Einstein have been talking about the ether of being the FORCE of gravity itself (in our point of reference), which would be an abstract ether, not a physical one? All you have to prove is that gravity can warp an abstraction. Does gravity warp God? -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein |
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It is difficult to suck out an abstraction ... If not impossible ... and that's an argument in favor of the reality of ether. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein |
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JB wrote:
It is difficult to suck out an abstraction (at least without imbibing in the spirits). BINGO! Bingo indeed! Proving that Einstein's ether could not be an abstraction. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote: It is so encouraging to note that our technical gurus gain their scientific basis from the science writers at time.com. Wikipedia too ;-) You are certainly free to prove them wrong. I like time, I like wiki ... while true anyone can write something for wiki ... and true, you have to know if some child has sneaked on and left some prank ... or not. But, those in charge of wiki have some tricks to manage all of this ... Regards, JS |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
All you have to prove is that gravity can warp an abstraction. Does gravity warp God? God IS warped, well, at least his sense of humor ... ;-) Regards, JS |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... wrote: It is possible to consider that as a possible explanation provided that the hypothesis of exotic dark matter can ever be shown to exist physically, which it can't. Sorry, that is incorrect. It has been shown there is more matter associated with galaxies than we can see. The part we can see is thought to be about 5% of the universe. Dark matter possesses conventional gravity and apparently makes up about 30% of the universe. For that hypothesis to be true, of course we must verify that alleged exotic matter, which cannot be observed, has a negative gravitational force relative to physical mass, ... Sorry, that is incorrect. The thing thought to be responsible for the expansion of the universe is Dark Energy causing an expansion pressure. Dark Energy is thought to account for 65% of the universe. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein It's amazing how far into space people will go without even stepping off the planet. Don't get me wrong, It's good to explore in the best we can, but one thing brings me back to reality. No one of us seems to be able to keep straight in our heads, all of the details of all the theories, observations, problems and their interdependence and conflicts. It seems that every conclusion presented that I can have hope of researching in great enough detail, reveals leaps of faith. Reminds me a whole lot of the Psychology and Philosophy courses I took to round out my transcripts. All the GREAT GENIUSES in those fields got tunnel vision and went way out on a limb even to the point of developing their own dialect. The lesson learned of all that, was that humanity is so versatile that no one could point to one theory that held up in the broader range of human experience. What does that leave us with? Tools that can be applied if we know where they can be used, but only if they hold when we put work to them. The end result though, is that humanity is so versatile |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Cecil Moore wrote: wrote: It is so encouraging to note that our technical gurus gain their scientific basis from the science writers at time.com. Wikipedia too ;-) You are certainly free to prove them wrong. I like time, I like wiki ... while true anyone can write something for wiki ... and true, you have to know if some child has sneaked on and left some prank ... or not. But, those in charge of wiki have some tricks to manage all of this ... Regards, JS I certainly wouldn't use them in a research paper. Like doing a book report with Cliff Notes. Like reporting on a review. |
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JB wrote:
... I certainly wouldn't use them in a research paper. Like doing a book report with Cliff Notes. Like reporting on a review. I would simply indicate, in a/the footnote, the question of accuracy ... things have changed, but there was a time when you could trust Time with the same surety of Walter Cronkite ... but that was before infotainment. Regards, JS |
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JB wrote:
The end result though, is that humanity is so versatile Human knowledge is expanding exponentially. The more we know, the more we know that we don't know. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com "According to the general theory of relativity, space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein |
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things have changed, but there was a time when you could trust Time with
the same surety of Walter Cronkite ... but that was before infotainment. Regards, JS That has really hurt my trust in a big way. To the point I question nearly everything but what I have proved for myself. Just like in a courtroom, if they lie about one thing, you can't trust them on anything. |
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JB wrote:
... That has really hurt my trust in a big way. To the point I question nearly everything but what I have proved for myself. Just like in a courtroom, if they lie about one thing, you can't trust them on anything. True, very true ... Indeed, makes voting, faith in public servants such as the president, my senators and congressmen very, very difficult ... I know brother, I know ... but I still have a bit of faith in Einstein .... contemplative-look Last jury trial I was a juror on, I certainly questioned the sanity of the prosecutor! The "question(s)", in my mind, about the "public pretender" I could understand, more ... I am sure, you get my drift ... Warm regards, JS |
Clarifying Space, "Ether" and Nothingness
"John Smith" wrote in message ... JB wrote: ... That has really hurt my trust in a big way. To the point I question nearly everything but what I have proved for myself. Just like in a courtroom, if they lie about one thing, you can't trust them on anything. True, very true ... Indeed, makes voting, faith in public servants such as the president, my senators and congressmen very, very difficult ... I know brother, I know ... but I still have a bit of faith in Einstein ... contemplative-look Last jury trial I was a juror on, I certainly questioned the sanity of the prosecutor! The "question(s)", in my mind, about the "public pretender" I could understand, more ... I am sure, you get my drift ... Warm regards, JS It's shocking how much evidence disappears that doesn't promote someone's career. It is common knowledge (even a widespread joke) that the public defender is only equipped to get your bail reduced. The private criminal attorney however, is well equipped to bleed you out. The whole system seems to be so jaded and sadistic, that they actually have more fun screwing the easy meat with something to lose. It doesn't have much of an impact on the hardened criminals, who are their "good customers", but scare the hell out of them. After 9/11, the emphasis has been on terrorists that come over and attack. I guess the terrorists that live here now are someone else's responsibility. |
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