Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:01:24 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

Richard you have not come up with anything that contradicts what I
have apothosized,

"Potential Energy is not in equilibrium."
so says Newton.

"Kinetic Energy is not in equilibrium."
so says Newton.

"Radiation that uses neither, is not radiation."
so says Gauss.

"Radiation is not in equilibrium."
so says Maxwell.

"An antenna receives or transmits radiation."
so says Einstein.

"An antenna is not in equilibrium."
so says Marx (of Hart, Schaffner & Marx).

The math has been proven, and the dead white scientists (and
haberdashers) have spoken from the grave. You have come up with a
contradiction only, and demonstrated nothing that will raise the dead.
No Lazarus Prize will be awarded this year.

In spite of your reference to having apotheosized anything, no, you
don't rise to the pantheon of deity either (not until you can get
those nails out of your hands).

To early for Easter.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

.... Almond Joy gots nuts, Mounds don't! :-)

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
But then, neither can you! :-P

The quantum foam is still seething following the Big
Bang. It is akin to an explosion that has not yet
run its course.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com
"According to the general theory of relativity,
space without ether is unthinkable." Albert Einstein

On Nov 5, 5:08*pm, Art Unwin wrote:


Ok Richard so I am inept, let us leave it at that. There are many
experts and guru's on this newsgroup
who pretty much agree with you and not one has come forward to refute
some of the things that have been stated against what I proffer

I refute things you say quite often, but you ignore them.
As an example, you constantly state that an antenna should
be a full wave length in order to live a productive and useful life.
You claim such an antenna is in equilibrium. Whatever that is
supposed to mean to you. We don't know how equilibrium applies
in your case, as you refuse to tell anyone when questioned.
When I state that a full wave has no real efficiency advantage vs
a half wave, a statement which almost everyone knows is true,
you ignore it.
Of course, using a small antenna the size of two shoe boxes is
not really a full wave antenna. It's still a very small antenna fed
with a loading coil made up of a full wave length of wire, if I
understand what you are doing. And with your winding technique,
it's quite easy to see how this could be a very lossy method to
feed such a small radiator. You basically have a dummy load on
a stick.
A good 160m mobile antenna setup would tear it a new one.. :/

So I will assume that the program is accepted for Yagi' but not for
radiators in equilibrium.

How can a radiator be in equilibrium? You are talking about a
piece of metal.

All this is not unusual a lot of things that were found out were
delayed from the public because of people just couldn';t take change.

Change... Hummm.. A common Obama mantra..
Change can be good, or change can be bad.
Throwing a lot of the Wall Street CEO's in prison would be a
fairly good change.
A new president who thinks he can bend the constitution to suit
his personal agenda would not be a good change.
Ignoring proven data and replacing it with faulty unproven data would
not be a good change.
Using proven data and building on it to prove a new design or theory
would not be a bad change, if the new design or theory can pass
the scrutiny of rigorous testing over a period of time.
Using conjured up baffle gab to try to prove a new theory is
not going to cut it in the change dept.
BTW, I mention Obama quite a bit, and it's probably no secret I'm
no fan of his.
But I want to mention it is not on a personal level, or due to his
skin color, etc. I'm sure he can be a fairly decent guy at times,
but I still think he's a blatant socialist, and I have little use for
him.
He's a constitutional attorney who has no respect for the
constitution. IE: he'd like to take a big crap on the 2nd
amendment if he ever gets the chance for just one example.
This is not to say I really like McCain either..
I'm more of the independent Libertarian ilk.. If a politician can't
follow the constitution, I have zero use for them.

But back to the matter at hand..

Those who do not understand the rules of science with respect to
radiators say it is bafflegab because they don't understand the
sciences.

I understand enough to tell a turd from a diamond any day.
An Einstein level of reasoning is not required for this simple
task.

So I will let it go at that and assume that I am the one out of step.

You have taken the first step towards recovery.

You and others have made your point and there is no such thing than a
better antenna than the Yagi and that all is known is about antennas
and nothing that is not printed in a book is acceptable to radio hams.
I get the message and that should make every one happy

Just more whining from a disenchanted pseudo inventer..
I don't even know how the poor Yagi got involved. The yagi
has zero to do with anything I have argued about.
A contra wound dummy load on a stick, and a yagi and
about as different animals as chipmunks and baboons.

Or are you know abandoning the dummy load on a stick,
and returning to the perverted array with skewed elements
you harped on quite a few months ago?
You know, the one that provided less performance than
the properly designed yagi with an equal number of elements..
You know, the one I called the cluster%#&* antenna..
Chortle.. :/

NM5K wrote:
"Of course, using a small antenna the size of two shoe boxes is not
really a full wave antenna. It`s still a very small antenna fed with a
loading coil made up of a full wave length of wire, if I umderstand what
you are doing."

Yes. It appears he has a dipole two shoe boxes long. The ARRL Antenna
Book has an interesting section on "Short Antennas" that starts on on
page 6-21 in my 20th edition. On page 6-30 it says:
"Loading is always a compromise; the best method is determined by the
amount of space available and the band(s) to be worked.
The simplest way to shorten a dipole is shown in Fig 53. If you do not
have sufficient length between supports, simply hang as much of the
center of the antenna as possible between the supports and let the ends
hang down.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Richard Clark wrote:
"An antenna is not in "equilibrium" so says Marx (of Hart, Shaffner &
Marx)."

How about Chico, Harpo, and Groucho?

Art Unwin hopes to stump us by not defining what he means if anything by
"equilibrium". A synonym, "balance" is often used in radio. Terman
defines "balance" on page 901 of his 1955 opus:
"It is sometimes desirable to deliver power to a grounded antenna
through a two-wire transmission line or, conversely, to use a coaxial
cable line to deliver power to an ungrounded antenna system that is
symmetrical with respect to ground. In either case, it is necessary to
convert between a balanced system that is symmetrical with respect to
ground, and an unbalanced system in which one side is grounded."

That seems to capture a problem we had here. Art is unbalanced and we
are well grounded. None of us is in equilibrium.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Mark Keith wrote:
"You`ve had your knickers in a twist ever since I proved your "loophole"
antenna did not work as you (Art) claimed and its all gone downhill
since then."

Yes. As I recall, Art claimed to have discovered something like the
"gamma match" shown on page 26-9 of my 20th edition of the ARRL Antenna
Book. Of course it`s been around nearly forever.

Art claimed radiation from the small gamma-loop strongly reinforced the
dipole`s desired radiation. Art rejected the contention that radiation
from the small loop is only directed in the plane of the loop so
therefore only helps in the directions of the zenith and the earth and
gives no help in the horizontal plane perpendicular to the dipole.and
broadside to the small loop.

If Art patented the idea that the matching system radiated to
significantly enhance the dipole`s desired radiation, he should not
expect riches in royalties.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On Nov 7, 11:18*am, (Richard Harrison)
wrote:
Mark Keith wrote:

"You`ve had your knickers in a twist ever since I proved your "loophole"
antenna did not work as you (Art) claimed and its all gone downhill
since then."

Yes. As I recall, Art claimed to have discovered something like the
"gamma match" shown on page 26-9 of my 20th edition of the ARRL Antenna
Book. Of course it`s been around nearly forever.

Art claimed radiation from the small gamma-loop strongly reinforced the
dipole`s desired radiation. Art rejected the contention that radiation
from the small loop is only directed in the plane of the loop so
therefore only helps in the directions of the zenith and the earth and
gives no help in the horizontal plane perpendicular to the dipole.and
broadside to the small loop.

If Art patented the idea that the matching system radiated to
significantly enhance the dipole`s desired radiation, he should not
expect riches in royalties.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI * *

Yes I was granted a patent under " a constant impedance antenna
system"
and it is a matter of record despite what you have stated. And that is
all I wanted,.
a record of my work.

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:04:00 -0600, (Richard
Harrison) wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
"An antenna is not in "equilibrium" so says Marx (of Hart, Shaffner &
Marx)."

How about Chico, Harpo, and Groucho?

Ah! There we have chaotic harmony, not equilibrium. Perhaps more
"attuned" to Gussian arrays. For haberdashery (what I presume Art
describes here in this group), Hart, Shaffner & Marx is the zenith of
equilibrium in dress (but not antennas).

Art Unwin hopes to stump us by not defining what he means if anything by
"equilibrium".

More the problem is that Art may have redefined the word "shoebox"
which must be his metric standard for something the size of a WalMart
store. If he had an antenna the size of two WalMart stores
side-by-side, then yes, his claims would make sense.

So, in the vocabulary of Authur-speak:
Shoebox: One WalMart building.
Equilibrium: Matching fashions for men's levitation wear.
Paramagnetic: Skydiving at the North Pole.
Diamagnetic: Calorie cutting by eating only magenta colored food.
Array: Any jumble of rusted barbed wire sections.
Director: A reflector of an array.
Reflector: A director of an array.
Radiation: Bugs that hit your windshield (aka particels)
Resonance: Wiper action of flicking radiation off your windshield.
Antenna: A patent for a method of dividing by zero in checkbooks.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Nov 7, 1:18*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Nov 7, 11:18*am, (Richard Harrison)
wrote:





Mark Keith wrote:

"You`ve had your knickers in a twist ever since I proved your "loophole"
antenna did not work as you (Art) claimed and its all gone downhill
since then."

Yes. As I recall, Art claimed to have discovered something like the
"gamma match" shown on page 26-9 of my 20th edition of the ARRL Antenna
Book. Of course it`s been around nearly forever.

Art claimed radiation from the small gamma-loop strongly reinforced the
dipole`s desired radiation. Art rejected the contention that radiation
from the small loop is only directed in the plane of the loop so
therefore only helps in the directions of the zenith and the earth and
gives no help in the horizontal plane perpendicular to the dipole.and
broadside to the small loop.

If Art patented the idea that the matching system radiated to
significantly enhance the dipole`s desired radiation, he should not
expect riches in royalties.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI * *

Yes I was granted a patent under " a constant impedance antenna
system"
and it is a matter of record despite what you have stated. And that is
all I wanted,.
a record of my work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Art you are still under the delusion that if you get a patent it
means your idea is valid.
No, it just means it was your idea. At one time you had to give some
proof of the validity of the concept but this is no longer true. If
you want to get a patent on a Star Trek type "transporter" or "warp
drive" go ahead, you can probably get one. You can even patent
something that already has a patent. The patent office will not keep
you from screwing up.


Jimmie.

On Nov 7, 1:56*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Nov 7, 1:18*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Nov 7, 11:18*am, (Richard Harrison)
wrote:

Mark Keith wrote:

"You`ve had your knickers in a twist ever since I proved your "loophole"
antenna did not work as you (Art) claimed and its all gone downhill
since then."

Yes. As I recall, Art claimed to have discovered something like the
"gamma match" shown on page 26-9 of my 20th edition of the ARRL Antenna
Book. Of course it`s been around nearly forever.

Art claimed radiation from the small gamma-loop strongly reinforced the
dipole`s desired radiation. Art rejected the contention that radiation
from the small loop is only directed in the plane of the loop so
therefore only helps in the directions of the zenith and the earth and
gives no help in the horizontal plane perpendicular to the dipole.and
broadside to the small loop.

If Art patented the idea that the matching system radiated to
significantly enhance the dipole`s desired radiation, he should not
expect riches in royalties.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI * *

Yes I was granted a patent under " a constant impedance antenna
system"
and it is a matter of record despite what you have stated. And that is
all I wanted,.
a record of my work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Art you are *still under the delusion that if you get a patent it
means your idea is valid.
No, it just means it was your idea. At one time you had to give some
proof of the validity of the concept but this is no longer true. If
you want to get a patent on a Star Trek type "transporter" or "warp
drive" go ahead, you can probably get one. You can even patent
something that already has a patent. The patent office will not keep
you from screwing up.

Jimmie.

No Jimmie
I had to go to Washington to provide the proof in the 90"s and it was
accepted
and that is all I cared about. I did not write articles for the radio
magazines or anything like that
I do it purely to provide a record of my work
I just moved on to other things but at least it is available to hams
to use or reject.
This is no different from what I am doing now with this new antenna, I
applied for
a patent and then shared it with the ham community, is that so bad?
You can put the constant impedance antenna on EZNEC for yourself or
ignore it
Many others on this group Richard included don't know how to operate
computors let alone
work on antenna programs themselves so they are not talking from
experience but from teachings reeived
over half a century ago after which they have stopped learning. If any
of these had any savvy they would have put some of the things I have
stated
and proved things one way or another but they don't want to as it
means change. Now if you are "wired" like Richard then you are happy
to join him
in the war of words as the othe Richard has and a few others. As for
me I have shared all and you can take it or leave it, your choice. At
the moment it is a queer road on this group where people want to
attack those who have new ideas or challenges the status quo but as
yet have only relied on insults
in the absence of individual thought or possibly suspend or get rid of
patents and the like as they only promote change.
The group can get angry with me if they wish because of my work but
there is no way they are going to stop me doing it for what ever
reason they have in mind. Sooner or later somebody with some smarts
and some get go will look at things for themselves and test thgem out
on a computor which now apears to be accepted by all and then decide
whether they want to build on them or not, they will not rely on the
opinions of this group as there is nothing provided to study just
venom. So Jimmie I congratulate you on all your patents obtained as it
shows you are capable of original thought where others are lacking
Art