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Displacement current
Art wrote:
"The Physics World states that displacement current does not exist with respect to radiation---." Who and where? Be reasonable. Free space is normally nonconductive. It is a good insulator or dielectric. Light is by all accounts an electrromagnetic radiation. We readily see light from sources throughout space. Michael Faraday (1791- 1867) wrote: E = F/Q where E & F are parallel vectors. E = the electric field strength in force per unit charge and F is measured in newtons per coulomb. Electric charges` force on each other are readily measured. Likewise, magnetic forces` influence on each other and upon electric charges are readily measured. Radio waves as Terman says: "---travel with the speed of light and consist of magnetic and electrostatic fields at right angles to each other and to the direction of travel." Electrostatic does not mean stationary. There are no conductors in space suited to support an electric current for wave propagation, therefore it is the invisible but readily measurable electric and magnetic fields which invoke action at great distances. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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"Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... Art wrote: "The Physics World states that displacement current does not exist with respect to radiation---." Who and where? Be reasonable. Free space is normally nonconductive. remember, art believes space is full of magic jumping diamagnetic levitating neutrinos, obviously they carry the charge so there is no need for displacement current, only the weak force. |
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On Nov 21, 1:28*pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... Art wrote: "The Physics World states that displacement current does not exist with respect to radiation---." Who and where? Be reasonable. Free space is normally nonconductive. remember, art believes space is full of magic jumping diamagnetic levitating neutrinos, obviously they carry the charge so there is no need for displacement current, only the weak force. Not so. I am willing to believe what modern science say that the aether is filled with a circulating magnetic field thru which particles can pass. If that is what they think that is fine by me. After all there must be something inside the arbritary border of the Aether to prevent it collapsing per Newton Art |
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I wrote:
"---electric and magnetic fields which invoke action at great distances." I now think "evoke" should have been used in place of "invoke". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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Richard Harrison wrote:
... I now think "evoke" should have been used in place of "invoke". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Richard: I am sure there is, most-probably, enough difference for argument ... However, to a poor country boy like myself, these terms are, for the most part, interchangeable ... both can be found with definitions which bring "magic", "mystery" and the "spiritual realm" into mind ... and, I am sorry, sometimes I "just feel" this way (and, especially when it is the "wifes time of the month!") ... grin Sorry, just thought a bit of sick humor might be appreciated by some ... LOL! and-a-evil-grin Regards, JS |
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Richard Harrison wrote:
Michael Faraday (1791- 1867) wrote: E = F/Q where E & F are parallel vectors. E = the electric field strength in force per unit charge and F is measured in newtons per coulomb. Faraday should have written that E is in units of newtons per coulomb, as F would obviously be in newtons. Electrostatic does not mean stationary. In what way does it not? 73, ac6xg |
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Jim Kelley wrote:
"In what way is it (an electrostatic field) not (stationary)?" Terman was refering to an electromagnetic (radio) wave. It is a peculiarity of "old-speak" to call an electric field an electrostatic field. As Cecil reminds us, radio waves are always in motion. But, their superposition may produce a stationary wave called a standing wave. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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Displacement current
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... Art wrote: "I am not saying that displacement current travels in the center but I ask those educated in this field if displacement current has been observed, measured and is present Beyond Doubt?" Yes. Displacement current is proportional to the rate of change of the electric field. It moves at right angles to the direction of propagstion. Like charges repel without electrical conduction so a capacitor passes ac while blocking dc. A standing wave antenna stores energy in the magnetic field near its center during one half of the cycle and in the electric fields near its ends during the other half cycle. No, a 'standing wave' antenna stores energy in a magnetic field that has peak intensity at the positive and negative peaks of current, and energy in an electric field that has peak intensity at the positive and negative peaks of voltage. Energy is stored in both fields throughout each cycle (except at the zero crossings of current and voltage, of course) and for the fields associated with radiation the peaks of current and voltage occur at the same times. For a dipole-type antenna, both fields occupy the region of space surrounding the antenna elements. The magnetic field is strongest near the part of the antenna where the current is greatest, the centre of a dipole (with length up to half a wavelength) as stated above, but the electric field is not necessarily stronger near the ends of a dipole's elements - it is developed between them. The formulae for all the field strengths can be found in reliable text books such as Kraus 'Antennas'. Chris Dielectric displacement is the electrical strain which occurs in a dielectric medium when an electric field is applied. It is analogous to the magnetic flux density and is expressed in charge per unit area or coulombs per aquare meter. J.C. Maxwell speculated displacement current produces magnetic lines of force same as conduction current does, therefore an alternating magnetic field would produce an alternating electric field and so on ad infinitum. This was the key to electromagnetic radiation. Hertz later proved Maxwell correct in the laboratory. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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Chris wrote:
"The formulae for all the field strengths can be found in reliable books such as Kraus "Antennas"." I agree. On page 40 of Kraus` 3rd edition of "Antennas" is found: "For a 1/2-wave dipole antenna, the energy is stored at one instant of time in the electric field, mainly near the ends of the antenna or maximum charge regions, while a 1/2-period later the energy is stored in the magnetic field mainly near the center of the antenna or maximum current region." My preceding statement was before reading Kraus: "A standing wave antenna stores energy in the magnetic field near its center during one half of the cycle and in the electric fields near its ends during the other half cycle." My statement lacks clarity and precision. I am a poor engineer who has never worked as an educator. Chris` point? Close but no cigar? OK, I deserve the critism. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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"Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... Chris wrote: "The formulae for all the field strengths can be found in reliable books such as Kraus "Antennas"." I agree. On page 40 of Kraus` 3rd edition of "Antennas" is found: "For a 1/2-wave dipole antenna, the energy is stored at one instant of time in the electric field, mainly near the ends of the antenna or maximum charge regions, while a 1/2-period later the energy is stored in the magnetic field mainly near the center of the antenna or maximum current region." My preceding statement was before reading Kraus: "A standing wave antenna stores energy in the magnetic field near its center during one half of the cycle and in the electric fields near its ends during the other half cycle." My statement lacks clarity and precision. I am a poor engineer who has never worked as an educator. Chris` point? Close but no cigar? OK, I deserve the critism. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI I hardly dare to say it but, actually that's incorrect for the radiation field (which is what I wrote about). The radiation resistance of an antenna accounts for its ability to radiate power into the surrounding space and, like all other resistances, the peak of current co-insides with the peak of applied voltage - so one doesn't occur '1/2-period later' at all. What's described in the passage above is the situation in respect of the temporary storage of energy in the 'reactive near fields' corresponding to a reactive component of the terminal impedance, not the radiation resistance. I would expect the latter to be of greater importance to those interested in communication. I wouldn't disagree with the statement that stored energy is concentrated in the regions near the 'maximum charge regions' but if you plot the equipotent lines around a dipole and equate the amount of energy stored to the electric field strength it illustrates that the spatial distribution of energy in the electric field is similar to that in the magnetic field ... as one might expect. Chris |
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