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Wayne November 27th 08 05:05 PM

No More Free TV (was Log-Periodic Antenna Design)
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
TV has never been 'free'. you pay for it with every product you purchase
that is advertised on tv. and of course you pay for it in taxes, and also
in product purchases from sponsors, for 'public' tv channels. tanstaafl!

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.



John Smith November 27th 08 07:55 PM

No More Free TV (was Log-Periodic Antenna Design)
 
Wayne wrote:

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.



The wife and I, with being able, for example, to go out to Fox tvs'
webpage and view prisonbreak, have, pretty much, given up watching tv
.... we have been talking about discontinuing cable and dumping satellite
.... the loud commercials and VERY STUPID commercials have pushed it to
the point where it is no longer worth it ... we end our services the end
of this month.

Regards,
JS

T[_2_] November 28th 08 03:36 AM

No More Free TV (was Log-Periodic Antenna Design)
 
In article ,
says...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
TV has never been 'free'. you pay for it with every product you purchase
that is advertised on tv. and of course you pay for it in taxes, and also
in product purchases from sponsors, for 'public' tv channels. tanstaafl!

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.




I have exactly the same argument against "pay" TV. So what are we paying
for?


T[_2_] November 28th 08 03:37 AM

No More Free TV (was Log-Periodic Antenna Design)
 
In article ,
says...
Wayne wrote:

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.



The wife and I, with being able, for example, to go out to Fox tvs'
webpage and view prisonbreak, have, pretty much, given up watching tv
... we have been talking about discontinuing cable and dumping satellite
... the loud commercials and VERY STUPID commercials have pushed it to
the point where it is no longer worth it ... we end our services the end
of this month.

Regards,
JS


I was once spending $140 a month for digital cable and net service. I
dropped all the cable tv services, bumped the net service up to the 25/7
service and now watch via hulu.com, surfthechannel.com, youtube, and
network TV sites.

Cable television is pretty much dead now.


JB[_3_] November 28th 08 03:43 PM

No More Free TV (was Log-Periodic Antenna Design)
 
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Wayne wrote:

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.



The wife and I, with being able, for example, to go out to Fox tvs'
webpage and view prisonbreak, have, pretty much, given up watching tv
... we have been talking about discontinuing cable and dumping satellite
... the loud commercials and VERY STUPID commercials have pushed it to
the point where it is no longer worth it ... we end our services the end
of this month.

Regards,
JS


Ya but they're putting commercials on the web episodes too! You cant get
away from whatever they want to jam into the stream!

I still have my VCR. I don't mind FFwd every few minutes. After all, if
you have seen the commercial once, you have been "informed". I caught a
couple of episodes of Sarah Connor Chronicles on the web and quality was
pretty good but they played the same ad over and over until I found myself
singing to it, so that I had to smack myself in the head with the phonebook
to reboot myself.


John Smith November 28th 08 08:05 PM

No More Free TV (was Log-Periodic Antenna Design)
 
JB wrote:

...
Ya but they're putting commercials on the web episodes too! You cant get
away from whatever they want to jam into the stream!

I still have my VCR. I don't mind FFwd every few minutes. After all, if
you have seen the commercial once, you have been "informed". I caught a
couple of episodes of Sarah Connor Chronicles on the web and quality was
pretty good but they played the same ad over and over until I found myself
singing to it, so that I had to smack myself in the head with the phonebook
to reboot myself.


Yes, there is much I have experienced there ...

We have dishtv, you can record shows/movies to the DVRs' recorder and
then click a few times to go through 3-5-7-or more minutes of
commercials ...

Still, just the "feel" and the "stress" of all this leaves me with a bad
taste in my mouth; when I mentioned that to the wife, she carried on
for a good fifteen minutes+ on her own "emotional distress."

This is just all about what a person is able to accept, or not, some
might not even notice any "discomfort."

AT&T is the first "BIG one we took on", we dropped them and went to
Vonage--that was unacceptable at $29.?? a month, for the service we
received--in short, and my humble opinion, they are a ripoff. We now
use magicjack (http://www.magicjack.com) as $20 bucks for the little USB
dongle, then $20 bucks a year, thereafter, to call all the US and Canada
for free--we found our phone service!

Regards,
JS

Michael A. Terrell November 29th 08 10:38 PM

Log-Periodic Antenna Design
 

Helmut Wabnig wrote:

Why don't you sell your house and move to a place next to the TV
transmitter station. You will only need a piece of wire then.
Or the bare finger.
Must be wet, of course.



Have you ever tried to get a clear picture, "next to the TV
transmitter station"? The radiation pattern on the transmitting antenna
leaves almost no signal in the shadow of the tower. I had to point the
OTA antenna towards another tower a half mile away to get enough signal
to monitor the 5 MW EIRP signal at the Channel 55 tower in Orange City,
Florida. People within a half mile of the tower base couldn't get a
clear signal.


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The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

JosephKK[_2_] November 30th 08 11:22 PM

No More Free TV (was Log-Periodic Antenna Design)
 
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:36:14 -0500, T
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
TV has never been 'free'. you pay for it with every product you purchase
that is advertised on tv. and of course you pay for it in taxes, and also
in product purchases from sponsors, for 'public' tv channels. tanstaafl!

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.




I have exactly the same argument against "pay" TV. So what are we paying
for?


Wait for it...

















































































To get to the new(ish) movies even faster? Naw.













































To maintain the publisher / studio system of property rights? Maybe.











































To help keep the inherited great wealth rich, rich, could be
































maybe it is just people being people? No way.

Chuck Olson December 6th 08 03:32 AM

Log-Periodic Antenna Design
 

"Chuck Olson" wrote in message
...

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Or, does anyone have a UHF-TV log-periodic design that they'd share? :-)

Thanks,
Rich

Lo and behold, here is one http://tinyurl.com/665r5a but it's a throw-back
to a simpler time when the HP42S calculator was an engineer's prized tool.
If you have a 42S, punch it in and use it. Otherwise, this is mainly a
learning tool to show how simple the calculations are. I think this design
could be put onto a Lotus123 calculating spread sheet where all the output
data windows would suddenly by filled up upon entering the needed input
data.

Sorry about the filename not working. This one should work:

http://tinyurl.com/5qxh9u




Rich Grise December 8th 08 07:10 PM

Log-Periodic Antenna Design
 
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:32:03 -0800, Chuck Olson wrote:
"Chuck Olson" wrote in message

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Or, does anyone have a UHF-TV log-periodic design that they'd share?
:-)


Sorry about the filename not working. This one should work:

http://tinyurl.com/5qxh9u


Too late! ;-) I've already made the "coat hanger" four-bay bowtie, but
with weld rod rather than hangers. ;-)

It was on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

Thanks!
Rich


T[_2_] December 11th 08 07:12 PM

Log-Periodic Antenna Design
 
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:32:03 -0800, Chuck Olson wrote:
"Chuck Olson" wrote in message

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Or, does anyone have a UHF-TV log-periodic design that they'd share?
:-)

Sorry about the filename not working. This one should work:

http://tinyurl.com/5qxh9u

Too late! ;-) I've already made the "coat hanger" four-bay bowtie, but
with weld rod rather than hangers. ;-)

It was on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

Thanks!
Rich



Yep, it's all about the antenna. Hell, even a dipole tuned to the
midpopint of the band used for HD would get better performance.


LVMarc January 18th 09 02:17 AM

Log-Periodic Antenna Design , jihg gain smalll size wide bandwidthnew technology
 
mpm wrote:
On Nov 21, 7:04�pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Nov 21, 5:53�pm, Rich Grise wrote:






On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:58:46 -0800, Roy Lewallen wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:30:26 -0800, Roy Lewallen wrote:

GregS wrote:

Ever hear of the BOW TIE. Its a sort of Fractal antenna. Having a wide
band. It could be improved by making it a full fractal.

That's interesting. In what way(s) is it improved by making it fractal?
How much is the improvement? Can you point me to a reference about this
which gives some quantitative data?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...s%22&btnG=Goog...


Sorry, it doesn't. Among the claims, trolls for investors, and
testimonials, where is the quantitative data showing that a fractal
antenna is in any way better than a bow tie, in what ways, and how much?
In other words, exactly where is the evidence on which you based your
statement?


The only "evidence" I have is a "testimonial" by the guy who invented it,
on some PBS show. And they claimed that that's how they pack so much
antenna into a box the size of your thumb. ;-)


And, having a passing familiarity with fractals, it just sounds eminently
plausible to me. :-)


Cheers!
Rich


Their advertising budget suggest that they are getting sales and they
do radiate
to the satisfaction of their users �They don't have lumped loads so
where ';s the beef?
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It's a folded, folded, folded, folded, folded,... n(folded) unipole
antenna!! ;-)

The highest gain in smalllest size would b obtained by using focused
wave antenna antenna, inhelical mode basd upon your description

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Patent is new and full marketing budget crippled along with creit maret
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short power point here

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As an independant producer and start-up would be very responsive and
appreciative of your support and queries. Can aslo locate front end
amplifiers inside anna eleiminating front connector loss. that last .035
db is hard to obtain any othe way with a connector beween any antenna
and front end so we put front end inside anteanna substrate and your
system will out perofrm all otthers!

Best Regards

Marc Popek


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