CW wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
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Digital is a major step toward "conditional access".

So is analog. If you don't have the proper reciever, you can't pick it up.
Just a different format.


That's not what conditional access means.

"Dave" wrote in message
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CW wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
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Digital is a major step toward "conditional access".

So is analog. If you don't have the proper reciever, you can't pick it
up.
Just a different format.


That's not what conditional access means.

Conditional access has been done with analog -- but not well. I sucessfully
defeated analog scrambling with two different home-brew devices but I never
tried digital. Too hard.

It's much easier to hard-code C/A with digital.

Just my two cents.

TV has never been 'free'. you pay for it with every product you purchase
that is advertised on tv. and of course you pay for it in taxes, and also
in product purchases from sponsors, for 'public' tv channels. tanstaafl!

"Dave" wrote in message
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TV has never been 'free'. you pay for it with every product you purchase
that is advertised on tv. and of course you pay for it in taxes, and also
in product purchases from sponsors, for 'public' tv channels. tanstaafl!

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.

Wayne wrote:

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.



The wife and I, with being able, for example, to go out to Fox tvs'
webpage and view prisonbreak, have, pretty much, given up watching tv
.... we have been talking about discontinuing cable and dumping satellite
.... the loud commercials and VERY STUPID commercials have pushed it to
the point where it is no longer worth it ... we end our services the end
of this month.

Regards,
JS

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says...
Wayne wrote:

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.



The wife and I, with being able, for example, to go out to Fox tvs'
webpage and view prisonbreak, have, pretty much, given up watching tv
... we have been talking about discontinuing cable and dumping satellite
... the loud commercials and VERY STUPID commercials have pushed it to
the point where it is no longer worth it ... we end our services the end
of this month.

Regards,
JS


I was once spending $140 a month for digital cable and net service. I
dropped all the cable tv services, bumped the net service up to the 25/7
service and now watch via hulu.com, surfthechannel.com, youtube, and
network TV sites.

Cable television is pretty much dead now.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Wayne wrote:

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.



The wife and I, with being able, for example, to go out to Fox tvs'
webpage and view prisonbreak, have, pretty much, given up watching tv
... we have been talking about discontinuing cable and dumping satellite
... the loud commercials and VERY STUPID commercials have pushed it to
the point where it is no longer worth it ... we end our services the end
of this month.

Regards,
JS

Ya but they're putting commercials on the web episodes too! You cant get
away from whatever they want to jam into the stream!

I still have my VCR. I don't mind FFwd every few minutes. After all, if
you have seen the commercial once, you have been "informed". I caught a
couple of episodes of Sarah Connor Chronicles on the web and quality was
pretty good but they played the same ad over and over until I found myself
singing to it, so that I had to smack myself in the head with the phonebook
to reboot myself.

JB wrote:

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Ya but they're putting commercials on the web episodes too! You cant get
away from whatever they want to jam into the stream!

I still have my VCR. I don't mind FFwd every few minutes. After all, if
you have seen the commercial once, you have been "informed". I caught a
couple of episodes of Sarah Connor Chronicles on the web and quality was
pretty good but they played the same ad over and over until I found myself
singing to it, so that I had to smack myself in the head with the phonebook
to reboot myself.


Yes, there is much I have experienced there ...

We have dishtv, you can record shows/movies to the DVRs' recorder and
then click a few times to go through 3-5-7-or more minutes of
commercials ...

Still, just the "feel" and the "stress" of all this leaves me with a bad
taste in my mouth; when I mentioned that to the wife, she carried on
for a good fifteen minutes+ on her own "emotional distress."

This is just all about what a person is able to accept, or not, some
might not even notice any "discomfort."

AT&T is the first "BIG one we took on", we dropped them and went to
Vonage--that was unacceptable at $29.?? a month, for the service we
received--in short, and my humble opinion, they are a ripoff. We now
use magicjack (http://www.magicjack.com) as $20 bucks for the little USB
dongle, then $20 bucks a year, thereafter, to call all the US and Canada
for free--we found our phone service!

Regards,
JS

In article ,
says...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
TV has never been 'free'. you pay for it with every product you purchase
that is advertised on tv. and of course you pay for it in taxes, and also
in product purchases from sponsors, for 'public' tv channels. tanstaafl!

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.




I have exactly the same argument against "pay" TV. So what are we paying
for?

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:36:14 -0500, T
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
TV has never been 'free'. you pay for it with every product you purchase
that is advertised on tv. and of course you pay for it in taxes, and also
in product purchases from sponsors, for 'public' tv channels. tanstaafl!

My squawk with "pay" TV is that you pay to get it, and then have to
additionally watch commercials.




I have exactly the same argument against "pay" TV. So what are we paying
for?

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To get to the new(ish) movies even faster? Naw.













































To maintain the publisher / studio system of property rights? Maybe.











































To help keep the inherited great wealth rich, rich, could be
































maybe it is just people being people? No way.