On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:01:35 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Do I spend the money, or do I seach for your secret horde of free
university publications on antenna design?

Hi Jeff,

Surely you must realize that this is not about money (a convenient
foil in this troll topic), but about skill (what the troll lacks).

The cheesy inventions that we have been breathlessly advised of have
the commensurate value of the bandwidth they return in a simple Google
search. It takes very little effort to recognize the moldy
fluorescence surrounding those meager offerings.

If you want the exact article specified, yes you can shell out money.
If you want the research behind it, and probably more data than you
would care to wade through, you simply investigate the investigator.

Myself, if I don't want to spend any more than the cost of bus fare, I
go to the engineering library, check it out, bring it home, scan it,
and its done. As I am on campus twice a week anyway (and the cost of
bus fare is already covered for my other activities), it is hardly an
imposition and the university certainly isn't suppressing me as they
give alumni library privileges.

Even public libraries have online access to special topic databases
(subscriptions) - unless you live in Bumf**k, Illinois.

Now, if you happen to be a troll who visits a campus infrequently only
to spit on their library shelves, I can well imagine the ego-bruised
outrage that is visited upon us here after they give you the bum's
rush.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:59:01 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:01:35 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Do I spend the money, or do I seach for your secret horde of free
university publications on antenna design?

Surely you must realize that this is not about money (a convenient
foil in this troll topic), but about skill (what the troll lacks).

If I had money and the necessary skills, I wouldn't be asking dumb
questions in this newsgroup.

The cheesy inventions that we have been breathlessly advised of have
the commensurate value of the bandwidth they return in a simple Google
search. It takes very little effort to recognize the moldy
fluorescence surrounding those meager offerings.

Wrong. Techno-hype became somewhat of a hobby of mine. During the
dot.com boom of the late 1990's, I was deriving considerable income
from doing technical sanity checks on business plans and projects.
During this time, I accumulated a fair collection of patents and ideas
that are pure bogus, yet were successfully promoted at least to the
point of being funded by technically clueless investors. Many are
still around today. Considering extent of the problem, and the fair
number of bogus patents, I would suggest that it is NOT easy to
recognize technical quackery.

If you want the exact article specified, yes you can shell out money.
If you want the research behind it, and probably more data than you
would care to wade through, you simply investigate the investigator.

I've been shelling out the money. I just want to shell out less
money. Your suggestion that there was some secret horde of free
research articles on antenna research at universities caught my
attention. I guess not.

Myself, if I don't want to spend any more than the cost of bus fare, I
go to the engineering library, check it out, bring it home, scan it,
and its done. As I am on campus twice a week anyway (and the cost of
bus fare is already covered for my other activities), it is hardly an
imposition and the university certainly isn't suppressing me as they
give alumni library privileges.

I haven't been on a bus in perhaps 25 years. The local multiversity
(UCSC) is on top of a mountain. I like to bicycle but at my age, the
hill is a challenge. Parking is impossible, expensive, or both. I'm
not an alumni, but am tempted to take exactly one class just to become
one. I've been "borrowing" accounts, but that has it's limitations.

Even public libraries have online access to special topic databases
(subscriptions) - unless you live in Bumf**k, Illinois.

Thanks, but I've tried that. See my other rant in this thread.

Now, if you happen to be a troll who visits a campus infrequently only
to spit on their library shelves, I can well imagine the ego-bruised
outrage that is visited upon us here after they give you the bum's
rush.

Punch my name into the Google Groups search page and read some of my
past postings. Then decide for yourself if I'm a troll or not. This
might help:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=tWGMphwAAAAGTj9X4k0U7wKkGyU 8QhaBhaxMG2M1PWkMtCZAt5tdxQ

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:14:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Surely you must realize that this is not about money (a convenient
foil in this troll topic), but about skill (what the troll lacks).
....
Punch my name into the Google Groups search page and read some of my
past postings. Then decide for yourself if I'm a troll or not.

You didn't originate this decrepit topic did you? Connect the dots.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:59:01 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:01:35 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Do I spend the money, or do I seach for your secret horde of free
university publications on antenna design?

Surely you must realize that this is not about money (a convenient
foil in this troll topic), but about skill (what the troll lacks).

If I had money and the necessary skills, I wouldn't be asking dumb
questions in this newsgroup.

The cheesy inventions that we have been breathlessly advised of have
the commensurate value of the bandwidth they return in a simple Google
search. It takes very little effort to recognize the moldy
fluorescence surrounding those meager offerings.

Wrong. Techno-hype became somewhat of a hobby of mine. During the
dot.com boom of the late 1990's, I was deriving considerable income
from doing technical sanity checks on business plans and projects.
During this time, I accumulated a fair collection of patents and ideas
that are pure bogus, yet were successfully promoted at least to the
point of being funded by technically clueless investors. Many are
still around today. Considering extent of the problem, and the fair
number of bogus patents, I would suggest that it is NOT easy to
recognize technical quackery.

Sure it IS easy. Unfortunately, there are plenty enough people who have
Mad Skillz in the suspension of disbelief.

Looking at technical guano and judging it as such is not difficult.
There are ways that dilettantes or the intelligent uninformed can detect
the aroma of hi-tech manure.

In a field where I am mostly ignorant - finance -I called shenanigans
when I first heard of heard of the new breed of ATM's. I yelled fraud
when I heard of the sub prime loans, and shook my head in disbelief as
80 year old people took out 50 year mortgages that folded interest and
principle back into the loan. And yet while I knew the present economic
crisis was coming back around 2003, it seems a whole lot of people
couldn't see that. And I was told by enough of them that my "old school"
view of economics was surely evidence of my stupidity.

In science, economics and technology, the evidence is all there, the
fundamentals are still quite serviceable, and analysis is not
difficult. The problem is that people start out with a basic premise
such as "Owning a house is the American Dream", or "The old guard is
saying that all is already known about antennas", and then trying to fit
everything into *that* philosophical Iron Maiden.

So I can take a look at say Art's antenna, and draw the conclusion that
it is very likely an inductor on the end of a pole, and it will tend to
perform like an EH antenna, with the coax serving as the major radiator.
Contacts can certainly be made. I don't even condemn it out of hand, I
don't think it is anything new, and after looking at it, it just seemed
to be a lot more effort to build than I wanted to trouble myself with.

Yet I'm an uneducated dilettante dummy - most people out there are a lot
smarter than me, so how come they can't figure this out when I can?


`- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Art Unwin wrote:
Why are the universites not
sharing their work with the public?

Because socialism has not completely taken over?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Art Unwin wrote:
Why are the universites not
sharing their work with the public?

Because socialism has not completely taken over?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

When socialism has completely taken over, they will be shot in the head
because nothing they know will be useful for picking rice.

Art Unwin wrote:
Many of us have checked the net for the latest advances in antennas.
Advances are usually arrived at public university research units some
of which are partially funded by outside sources Most, if not all,
the results are presented to the IEEE as a way of getting recognision.
But this information such as advancement in science is not provided to
the public even tho they came from a public institution. Thus you
cannot access it on the net as a member of the public as access is
with held UNLESS
you hand over some money to the IEEE. Why are the universites not
sharing their work with the public?
Is it because academics feel they are part of a special club divorced
from the public? Ofcourse I may be wrong
in taking that view in light of the fact that these study results are
available in libraries but why are they not put on the web for the
good of science and the general public at large?
Art

Absolutely, with public colleges and universities ... if they use public
funds, the knowledge is public. Perhaps, someday, a decent attorney
will take them to task. The college I hold a position with knows all of
this, we make as much as humanly possible available--we are educators
and we take our responsibility SERIOUSLY!!!

But, somehow the trash has gotten into the system ... :-(

Regards,
JS