On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:55:02 -0800, JosephKK
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:00:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
Nope. We will all be promoted to a position of responsibility, where
we will be setup to fail, thus demonstrating that technologists are no
better at running the country than politicians, crooks, bureaucrats,
and thugs.

How very weird. I am the pretty much acknowledged top technologist in
my workplace. Yet i cannot get promoted.
YMMV

That's because nobody has found a reason to want you to fail. There
can be many reasons for this. Optimistically, you have a well managed
company, that keeps people in positions where they are best suited.
That's rather rare as most companies will follow the Peter's Principle
method of promotion (rise to your level of incompetence).

Another possibility is that you have successfully eliminated any and
all competition for your position, thus making find a replacement
impossible. Unless you have a suitable replacement trained and
waiting, most companies will not your promotion to create vacuum.

In some companies, a promotion is tracked by a raise in salary and
benefits. In some countries and companies, it's actually impossible
to get a raise without a change of title. Perhaps your company needs
to manufacture a suitable position and title for your promotion? Note:
Assassinating your boss is not a viable option.

It's also possible that you have hit the glass ceiling, where
promotion is no longer possible. For example, many family owned
companies will not promote non-family members beyond a certain point.
If you're the wrong race, religion, sex, age, or nationality, you will
have problems getting a promotion. Same with failing to join the
correct country club, attending semi-mandatory social occasions,
wearing the wrong style clothes, attending the wrong church, and
generally sticking out like a sore thumb. Conformity pays well.

It's conceivable that you also lack sufficient initiative to obtain a
promotion. Many managers assume that someone that keeps their mouth
shut, does not need a promotion. Leaving your resume floating around
your desk is great way to either indicate that it's time to move up or
move out. Unfortunately, it can also get you fired, so use this trick
sparingly.

Anyway, if you need advice on what NOT to do in order to get promoted,
I have a long list of personal experiences that eventually inspired me
to become self-employed. I can't say that it was the right decision
from the financial point of view. However, I can say that I probably
saved a few companies from self destruction by removing myself from
their management structure.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Nov 30, 8:26*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:55:02 -0800, JosephKK
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:00:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
Nope. *We will all be promoted to a position of responsibility, where
we will be setup to fail, thus demonstrating that technologists are no
better at running the country than politicians, crooks, bureaucrats,
and thugs.
How very weird. *I am the pretty much acknowledged top technologist in
my workplace. *Yet i cannot get promoted.
YMMV

That's because nobody has found a reason to want you to fail. *There
can be many reasons for this. *Optimistically, you have a well managed
company, that keeps people in positions where they are best suited.
That's rather rare as most companies will follow the Peter's Principle
method of promotion (rise to your level of incompetence). *

Another possibility is that you have successfully eliminated any and
all competition for your position, thus making find a replacement
impossible. *Unless you have a suitable replacement trained and
waiting, most companies will not your promotion to create vacuum. *

In some companies, a promotion is tracked by a raise in salary and
benefits. *In some countries and companies, it's actually impossible
to get a raise without a change of title. *Perhaps your company needs
to manufacture a suitable position and title for your promotion? Note:
Assassinating your boss is not a viable option.

It's also possible that you have hit the glass ceiling, where
promotion is no longer possible. *For example, many family owned
companies will not promote non-family members beyond a certain point.
If you're the wrong race, religion, sex, age, or nationality, you will
have problems getting a promotion. *Same with failing to join the
correct country club, attending semi-mandatory social occasions,
wearing the wrong style clothes, attending the wrong church, and
generally sticking out like a sore thumb. *Conformity pays well.

It's conceivable that you also lack sufficient initiative to obtain a
promotion. *Many managers assume that someone that keeps their mouth
shut, does not need a promotion. *Leaving your resume floating around
your desk is great way to either indicate that it's time to move up or
move out. *Unfortunately, it can also get you fired, so use this trick
sparingly.

Anyway, if you need advice on what NOT to do in order to get promoted,
I have a long list of personal experiences that eventually inspired me
to become self-employed. *I can't say that it was the right decision
from the financial point of view. *However, I can say that I probably
saved a few companies from self destruction by removing myself from
their management structure.

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

My best friend H B Mutter N3CBW had a position of one of three
military top judges
where he was on call for any major criminal case which could involve
the maximum
sentence. However as a Judge he had his own ideas of morality that
sometimes clashed
with beaucrasy but he always held to his guns which is why I respected
him so much.
Eventually he was offered a generous retirement based on a perceived
malady, so in the end he won.
This was the only way out available to beaurocracy, the common man
does not have such leverage
and is blown away. He now lies at Arlington cemetary bless his soul, I
miss him so much
Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:26:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:55:02 -0800, JosephKK
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:00:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
Nope. We will all be promoted to a position of responsibility, where
we will be setup to fail, thus demonstrating that technologists are no
better at running the country than politicians, crooks, bureaucrats,
and thugs.

How very weird. I am the pretty much acknowledged top technologist in
my workplace. Yet i cannot get promoted.
YMMV

That's because nobody has found a reason to want you to fail. There
can be many reasons for this. Optimistically, you have a well managed
company, that keeps people in positions where they are best suited.
That's rather rare as most companies will follow the Peter's Principle
method of promotion (rise to your level of incompetence).

Another possibility is that you have successfully eliminated any and
all competition for your position, thus making find a replacement
impossible. Unless you have a suitable replacement trained and
waiting, most companies will not your promotion to create vacuum.

In some companies, a promotion is tracked by a raise in salary and
benefits. In some countries and companies, it's actually impossible
to get a raise without a change of title. Perhaps your company needs
to manufacture a suitable position and title for your promotion? Note:
Assassinating your boss is not a viable option.

It's also possible that you have hit the glass ceiling, where
promotion is no longer possible. For example, many family owned
companies will not promote non-family members beyond a certain point.
If you're the wrong race, religion, sex, age, or nationality, you will
have problems getting a promotion. Same with failing to join the
correct country club, attending semi-mandatory social occasions,
wearing the wrong style clothes, attending the wrong church, and
generally sticking out like a sore thumb. Conformity pays well.

It's conceivable that you also lack sufficient initiative to obtain a
promotion. Many managers assume that someone that keeps their mouth
shut, does not need a promotion. Leaving your resume floating around
your desk is great way to either indicate that it's time to move up or
move out. Unfortunately, it can also get you fired, so use this trick
sparingly.

Anyway, if you need advice on what NOT to do in order to get promoted,
I have a long list of personal experiences that eventually inspired me
to become self-employed. I can't say that it was the right decision
from the financial point of view. However, I can say that I probably
saved a few companies from self destruction by removing myself from
their management structure.

Good stuff. I think i need to reconsider hanging out my own shingle.
It is not the best time out there versus a stable position though.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:50:59 -0800, JosephKK
wrote:

Good stuff. I think i need to reconsider hanging out my own shingle.
It is not the best time out there versus a stable position though.

Maybe. I'm not an authority on self-employment and small biz.
However, I've been doing it for 25 years, so I must be doing something
right.

One of my "hobbies" was collecting business cards sitting on the
counter at the local retail electronics parts supplier. Every time
there was a layoff or downturn in the industry, a wide assortment of
business cards for newly minted consultants would appear. I would
grab a card, and scribble the date on the back. I would then wait to
see how long they would last. 6 months was the running average before
they found employment and/or decided consulting was not for them. A
few moved out of the area. I wasn't very organized or accurate, but
when the local economy sucked, there were perhaps 100 consultants.
When it was going full blast, perhaps 10.

A fairly small number survived over the years, and have built up a
customer base and revenue source sufficient to maintain their
lifestyle. Several have day jobs as well. One characteristic I noted
was the higher up in corporate America they went, the smaller the
likelihood of survival as a consultant. My guess is that this is
because of their addiction to the corporate support structure. For
example, I was horrified at the prospect of having to buy my own
stationary supplies, instead of simply stealing them from the company.

Another characteristic is that most consultants get their start by
obtaining work from their former employers. That included me. If you
burn your bridges when leaving a company, you will have problems.
Later, as your contacts move to other companies, your business base
will expand with them. If you have a mentor, do everything you can to
make them happy. I would say that without the business provided by a
very small number of industry contacts, I would have starved long ago.
I should also mention that I started my biz taking on small consulting
projects while still employed. I didn't need the money, but I was
bored and knew that I would evenutally need the experience and
contacts.

At one point, I had illusions of designing and producing antennas.
It's an ideal product. Few people understand how they work. Antennas
tend to be surround by hype and are often close to magic. Testing is
difficult and expensive. Product comparisons are non-existent.
Religion and bias toward specific styles and manufacturers seem to be
the prime criteria for selection. The weirder it looks, the better it
sells. Aesthetic concerns have provided a whole new market. There
are already some rather dubious antenna products on the market. Etc.
In all, it's a perfectly acceptable small market waiting to be
exploited. Hopefully, my marketing and sales expertise will
adequately compensate for my marginal antenna design abilities. I had
plans to build the product line using the audiophile model, where
garish industrial design and endless ambiguous buzzwords have done
quite well. Due to health problems, I doubt that I'll do anything, so
it's all yours.

Good luck.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

...
At one point, I had illusions of designing and producing antennas.
It's an ideal product. Few people understand how they work. Antennas
tend to be surround by hype and are often close to magic. Testing is
difficult and expensive. Product comparisons are non-existent.
Religion and bias toward specific styles and manufacturers seem to be
the prime criteria for selection. The weirder it looks, the better it
sells. Aesthetic concerns have provided a whole new market. There
are already some rather dubious antenna products on the market. Etc.
In all, it's a perfectly acceptable small market waiting to be
exploited. Hopefully, my marketing and sales expertise will
adequately compensate for my marginal antenna design abilities. I had
plans to build the product line using the audiophile model, where
garish industrial design and endless ambiguous buzzwords have done
quite well. Due to health problems, I doubt that I'll do anything, so
it's all yours.

Good luck.


One of the most important paragraphs ever to have been posted to this NG ...

The logic and energy brought to bear is nothing short of astounding, and
provokes a "RIGHT ON, THUMBS UP" out of me ... :-)

However, the part of success in selling snake oil, "In all, it's a
perfectly acceptable small market waiting to be exploited", I'd have to
see to believe ... the market seems saturated already!

Warm regards,
JS

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:58:09 -0800, John Smith
wrote:

However, the part of success in selling snake oil, "In all, it's a
perfectly acceptable small market waiting to be exploited", I'd have to
see to believe ... the market seems saturated already!

Acording to my mentor (now retired), the secret to success for a small
business is to find a narrow corner of the market, so narrow that it
won't attract the attention of the big guys, and do everything you can
to own it. Small companies just don't have the resources of the big
guys. The trick is to avoid them, not lock horns with the big guys..
Therefore, I don't see anyone going into the land mobile, TV, tower,
GPS, cellular, or car antenna business. These certainly are
saturated, although you might be able to compete on a cost basis.
Where small companies have succeeded are in the niche markets, such as
Stepper IR, various weird CB antenna contrivances, and wi-fi antennas.
If you've got connections in Homeland Security, consider military and
paramilitary antenna system.

As for snake oil, I don't consider giving the customer what they want
to be snake oil. If the market demands garrish, weird looking,
strange, camouflaged, and/or colorful antennas, it's not snake oil.
Several vendors have demonstrated that weird looking sells well. If
that's what the customer wants, I don't see a problem.

It's also possible to produce deluxe versions of common antennas. For
example, I suspect a gold plated antenna, with rare earth doping to
improve conductivity, and ceramic insulators made from clay found in
Area 51, to be sellable. It's not that far from what I read in the
audiophile catalogs, with their $500 power cords, wooden amplifier
boxes, glass turntables, and acoustic pretzel speaker enclosures. You
might not sell too many of these deluxe versions, but you'll make lots
of money on each one.
http://www.audioadvisor.com
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CRGRPC

Remember, the surest sign of success is pollution. Since the market
for antenna products are not yet totally polluted, I don't consider
the market to be anywhere near saturated or successful.



--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558
# http://802.11junk.com
# http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

As for snake oil, I don't consider giving the customer what they want
to be snake oil. If the market demands garrish, weird looking,
strange, camouflaged, and/or colorful antennas, it's not snake oil.
Several vendors have demonstrated that weird looking sells well. If
that's what the customer wants, I don't see a problem.

I'm thinking of pink dipoles for the YL Hamettes!


It's also possible to produce deluxe versions of common antennas. For
example, I suspect a gold plated antenna, with rare earth doping to
improve conductivity, and ceramic insulators made from clay found in
Area 51, to be sellable. It's not that far from what I read in the
audiophile catalogs, with their $500 power cords, wooden amplifier
boxes, glass turntables, and acoustic pretzel speaker enclosures. You
might not sell too many of these deluxe versions, but you'll make lots
of money on each one.
http://www.audioadvisor.com
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CRGRPC

Of course, the manufacturer would have to live with themselves. I would
go as far as the goofy pink antenna I mentioned above. I don't think I
would have the lack of integrity to make the bogus claims made for stuff
like the Audiophile industry does. They have a distinct Carney/Rube
thing going on with their customers.

I got it!

My urine contains special compounds because of my consumption of
asparagus, chocolate and beer. This cause my urine to have special
properties that cause magnetic particles to increase their flux
concentration, giving increased power output, more brilliant lows and
Highs, and making for much less listening fatigue.

I will sell bottles of the miracle liquid for 1000 dollars per liter.
However, as everyone knows, ther eis nothing like freshness for the
important compounds, so for 25 thousand dollars plus air and food
expensies, I will come to visit and pee on your speakers......

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:03:30 -0500, Michael Coslo
wrote:

I will sell bottles of the miracle liquid for 1000 dollars per liter.
However, as everyone knows, ther eis nothing like freshness for the
important compounds, so for 25 thousand dollars plus air and food
expensies, I will come to visit and pee on your speakers......
- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Sorry, but a similar product has already been invented and been on the
market for about 5 years:
http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/

The ladyfriend would probably buy the pink antennas. She just bought
a pink bicycle. In disgust, I bought her pink garden tools and a
stuffed pink pig. That might also explain why I'm spending the
evening posting useless usenet drivel, instead of engaging in
debauchery. Anyway, pink is the "in" color, so I guess it's ok:
http://images.google.com/images?q=pink+camouflage
http://images.google.com/images?q=pink+products

At one time I was labelled an "effet commie liberal pinko swine" (or
something like that), but that was long ago.

--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558
# http://802.11junk.com
# http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS

Michael Coslo wrote:

...
My urine contains special compounds because of my consumption of
asparagus, chocolate and beer. This cause my urine to have special
properties that cause magnetic particles to increase their flux
concentration, giving increased power output, more brilliant lows and
Highs, and making for much less listening fatigue.
...
- 73 de Mike N3LI -

My gawd man! Finally, something which makes sense.

Say they hire you to disperse your urine beneath these antennas in
question, my gawd, ground conductivity, conductivity and factors would
off scale!

Let us see EZNEC take that into consideration!

ROFLOL!!!!

GOOD POST! wink

Regards,
JS

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

...
Remember, the surest sign of success is pollution. Since the market
for antenna products are not yet totally polluted, I don't consider
the market to be anywhere near saturated or successful.

Jeff:

Sorry to have clipped your post so severely, however, anyone with a real
newsgroup reader has access to the original ...

You might be right, I was just expressing an opinion, one which is
impossible to justify ... :-)

Warm regards,
JS