"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
JB wrote:

...
Needs to be reminded that gravity doesn't work that way. Stand on
your head
and try it.


Better yet, grab a hand full of plastic, glass, metal, wood, etc. and
toss it into a mud-puddle, come back in a few million years and see what
you can "dig up", what has "evolved" into being ...

While I cannot absolutely rule out molecules, atoms and other assorted
particles, materials and wavelengths of energies arranging themselves
into complex organisms, at least one of which has self-awareness--it
flies in the face of all forms of logic/maths/sciences I have ever had
contact with ... but true, ya' never know, ya' just never know.

Self-arranging and self replication are actually easy enough to do that
the old definition of life that depends on that have been discarded for
much tighter definitions, Otherwise we would already be able to claim
that we created life.

As an example, lipids, or phospholipids, are a common substance (read
oils) that have the tendency to form into small bilayer spheres that
isolate the interior from the exterior world. Then what is needed is for
the right compounds to get trapped inside that sphere, and maybe
something interesting will happen.



http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2...npu=1&mbid=yhp


A immune system analog:


http://www.sandia.gov/media/NewsRel/NR2002/nanoarch.htm


Point is, these things are not some impossible to happen, "just so"
scheme. As time goes on, it looks more and more like on a planet capable
of sustaining life, life will happen.

Now if someone wanted to claim that some entity made that planet that
could support life, then these things happened - that is a different
story.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

None of this disproves the idea that the universe is created along with the
laws of physics and the bio-chemical engines that conform to the will of
God. Let's face it, science doesn't disprove creation theory at all. It
simply tries to explain and make use of what we are provided with. Doesn't
mean we shouldn't give thanks.

The Bible explanation of creation isn't more specific than what was
appropriate for a developing intellect. Any one with any true intellect
will be in awe with the realization that all of the laws of Physics, the
extremely refined and complex Bio-Chemical engines that contribute to life
in all its forms, and the extreme odds against a planet with the narrow
margin of environmental conditions, all would fit the definition of the
greatest miracle known. To be known by the only species enabled to know it.

Whereas we struggle to understand where we are and what we are capable of in
the here and now (and fall miserably short) The Bible actually dares to and
does predict the future and stands as the most insightful understanding of
our past, our nature, and hope for the future.

I can certainly understand how people could have a beef with "religion".
After all, the Bible even warns us of superstitious people, God haters,
hypocrites. Jesus himself warns in his parables that many would be among
the righteous planted by the enemy to discourage, usurp and mislead. Who
doesn't know of those in a group that gossip and tear down others. It's
like a boat on the ocean and some are chopping up the main mast for firewood
because they just want to be comfortable, while some are chopping a hole in
the hull because they are curious of what is on the other side and have no
discipline or forethought. He never said it would be easy.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "JB" wrote:

He never said it would be easy.

and he made it more difficult by not saying it in English (just
another example of information suppression by churches if we are to
keep even slightly on topic).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:42:09 GMT, "JB" wrote:

He never said it would be easy.

and he made it more difficult by not saying it in English (just
another example of information suppression by churches if we are to
keep even slightly on topic).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Are you always this whimsical? I would point you to Acts chapter 2 but you
obviously haven't read any of the Bible or have no reading comprehension.
If you were taught that someone's opinion is more important than your own
investigation, you are misled. Perhaps you haven't been in a book store
lately. If you are skeptical of the translation, bravo! You understand
that men can fail. Get a parallel Bible and see how closely the meaning
follows. You will find instances of references of what was to come, and
what has very nearly completed.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:01:27 GMT, "JB" wrote not in Aramaic:

I would point you to Acts chapter 2 but

So much for testifying, thanx for the Acts of omission.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:

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So much for testifying, thanx for the Acts of omission.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Yanno, this past week, I was devoid of idiots ... I had to come her for
my "idiot ration", thanks ... :-)

Regards,
JS

JB wrote:

...
Are you always this whimsical? I would point you to Acts chapter 2 but you
obviously haven't read any of the Bible or have no reading comprehension.
If you were taught that someone's opinion is more important than your own
investigation, you are misled. Perhaps you haven't been in a book store
lately. If you are skeptical of the translation, bravo! You understand
that men can fail. Get a parallel Bible and see how closely the meaning
follows. You will find instances of references of what was to come, and
what has very nearly completed.


The idiot is entertaining, if nothing else, huh? But, little use to
most here ... :-(

Regards,
JS

Richard Clark wrote:

...
and he made it more difficult by not saying it in English (just
another example of information suppression by churches if we are to
keep even slightly on topic).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Ahh, Richard, you again ...

If not for idiots, such as you, my life would grow boring ... but then,
you already know that ... BIG smile

Regards,
JS

JB wrote:

...
None of this disproves the idea that the universe is created along with the
laws of physics and the bio-chemical engines that conform to the will of
God. Let's face it, science doesn't disprove creation theory at all. It
simply tries to explain and make use of what we are provided with. Doesn't
mean we shouldn't give thanks.

The Bible explanation of creation isn't more specific than what was
appropriate for a developing intellect. Any one with any true intellect
will be in awe with the realization that all of the laws of Physics, the
extremely refined and complex Bio-Chemical engines that contribute to life
in all its forms, and the extreme odds against a planet with the narrow
margin of environmental conditions, all would fit the definition of the
greatest miracle known. To be known by the only species enabled to know it.

Whereas we struggle to understand where we are and what we are capable of in
the here and now (and fall miserably short) The Bible actually dares to and
does predict the future and stands as the most insightful understanding of
our past, our nature, and hope for the future.

I can certainly understand how people could have a beef with "religion".
After all, the Bible even warns us of superstitious people, God haters,
hypocrites. Jesus himself warns in his parables that many would be among
the righteous planted by the enemy to discourage, usurp and mislead. Who
doesn't know of those in a group that gossip and tear down others. It's
like a boat on the ocean and some are chopping up the main mast for firewood
because they just want to be comfortable, while some are chopping a hole in
the hull because they are curious of what is on the other side and have no
discipline or forethought. He never said it would be easy.


Man, when good reasoning, common sense and a good education finally hit
you ... your post, above, is going to be a real embarrassment ... :-(

Regards,
JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:

...
None of this disproves the idea that the universe is created along with
the
laws of physics and the bio-chemical engines that conform to the will of
God. Let's face it, science doesn't disprove creation theory at all.
It
simply tries to explain and make use of what we are provided with.
Doesn't
mean we shouldn't give thanks.

The Bible explanation of creation isn't more specific than what was
appropriate for a developing intellect. Any one with any true intellect
will be in awe with the realization that all of the laws of Physics, the
extremely refined and complex Bio-Chemical engines that contribute to
life
in all its forms, and the extreme odds against a planet with the narrow
margin of environmental conditions, all would fit the definition of the
greatest miracle known. To be known by the only species enabled to know
it.

Whereas we struggle to understand where we are and what we are capable
of in
the here and now (and fall miserably short) The Bible actually dares to
and
does predict the future and stands as the most insightful understanding
of
our past, our nature, and hope for the future.

I can certainly understand how people could have a beef with "religion".
After all, the Bible even warns us of superstitious people, God haters,
hypocrites. Jesus himself warns in his parables that many would be
among
the righteous planted by the enemy to discourage, usurp and mislead.
Who
doesn't know of those in a group that gossip and tear down others. It's
like a boat on the ocean and some are chopping up the main mast for
firewood
because they just want to be comfortable, while some are chopping a hole
in
the hull because they are curious of what is on the other side and have
no
discipline or forethought. He never said it would be easy.


Man, when good reasoning, common sense and a good education finally hit
you ... your post, above, is going to be a real embarrassment ... :-(

Is that a threat?
Let me know when you have proved that rocks came out of nothing,
spontaneously. Then prove life sprang up out of rocks, then prove you
sprang up out of that. You have a long way to go in your religion. In any
case, good reasoning, common sense and good education Left the country long
ago. The dating issue is the only real point of contention, but the Bible
doesn't really specify a date for creation or if it refers to the whole
universe or to our solar system or out world. The specific details of
creation, as in how it was accomplished just aren't there. It's easy for
you to say billions because no one you know was there. My point is:
Science can't prove so you shouldn't slam the book shut just yet.

When you meet your maker, you will have more than your ego to worry about.

JB wrote:

...
Is that a threat?
Let me know when you have proved that rocks came out of nothing,
spontaneously. Then prove life sprang up out of rocks, then prove you
sprang up out of that. You have a long way to go in your religion. In any
case, good reasoning, common sense and good education Left the country long
ago. The dating issue is the only real point of contention, but the Bible
doesn't really specify a date for creation or if it refers to the whole
universe or to our solar system or out world. The specific details of
creation, as in how it was accomplished just aren't there. It's easy for
you to say billions because no one you know was there. My point is:
Science can't prove so you shouldn't slam the book shut just yet.

When you meet your maker, you will have more than your ego to worry about.


Brother, at 6' 2" I make no threats ... all you see is me for a few
seconds ... I don't play games. I don't intimidate, if you stand in my
presence, you will know it. So, get past that jerk, this is simply all
about text and discussion ...

You are an idiot in my book. I will not attempt to hide that from your.
Your arguments are shallow and repeat those make over decades ... if
you can do nothing else, could you at least attempt to be entertaining,
please?

Bible? I don't remember I ever mentioned that ... what I am talking
about is pure logic. Remember maggots and spontaneous generation? Is
this what you once more propose? ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IDIOTS! A dime a dozen, I tell ya ...

Regards,
JS