On Dec 8, 3:13*pm, "JB" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message

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On Dec 8, 12:07 pm, Michael Coslo wrote:



Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 5, 8:21 am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 4, 3:02 pm, "JB" wrote:
So, you're a legend in your own mind. Your reactivity by the way
indicates
No, actually not. However, as your text indicates, I "AM SOMETHING"
you
don't see in your ghetto, thanks for the "heads-up." People DO tend
to
be a product of their environment ... again, reflected in your text.

Art Unwin wrote:

...
Look at the bright side Mike, The majority of this group feel O.K.
with things as they are,
and they represent the smarts of the USA of the past 50 years. Where
every thing worth while was discovered
thus lessening the need for further education plus strengthening the
right to bear arms..........for wild animals ofcourse grin
The cities will have their crystal nights ofcourse as they have done
in the past in L.A. against those that hoarded the wealth,

Actually, the technical aspects and military-ization of our police has
changed the terrain. Now you need the equiv or road-side-bombs used in
Iraq, flame throwers to burn them in their Kevlar, armor piercing
ammunition, small surface to surface missiles, etc. ... not impossible,
just more difficult.

We now need a civilian group to oversee the
president/government--perhaps one which is militia based would be
appropriate. It certainly is time this surfaces to the realm of
rational discussion ... they are no longer OUR servants! We simply have
to get their attention and focus back ...

Regards,
JS

On Dec 8, 5:43*pm, John Smith wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
...
Look at the bright side Mike, The majority of this group feel O.K.
with things as they are,
and they represent the smarts of the USA of the past 50 years. Where
every thing worth while was discovered
thus lessening the need for further education plus strengthening the
right to bear arms..........for wild animals ofcourse grin
The cities will have their crystal nights ofcourse as they have done
in the past in L.A. against those that hoarded the wealth,

Actually, the technical aspects and military-ization of our police has
changed the terrain. *Now you need the equiv or road-side-bombs used in
Iraq, flame throwers to burn them in their Kevlar, armor piercing
ammunition, small surface to surface missiles, etc. ... not impossible,
just more difficult.

We now need a civilian group to oversee the
president/government--perhaps one which is militia based would be
appropriate. *It certainly is time this surfaces to the realm of
rational discussion ... they are no longer OUR servants! *We simply have
to get their attention and focus back ...

Regards,
JS

I suppose in the cities you have different views of the police but
without money
they then become part of the public, good or otherwise as in New
Orleans,
On the other hand gun sales are sky rocketing in the Midwest so one
can shoot deer I suppose
and I can't see Obama saying "let the public eat cake". On the other
side of the coin, if the public is
not paid enough to buy the products that they make it becomes a
question of living or dying, your choice!
Do you think that hams will come to the aid of the government in a
case of crisis?
I think we should let this thread die before we are accused of
sedition
Regards
Art

Actually, the technical aspects and military-ization of our police has
changed the terrain. Now you need the equiv or road-side-bombs used in
Iraq, flame throwers to burn them in their Kevlar, armor piercing
ammunition, small surface to surface missiles, etc. ... not impossible,
just more difficult.

We now need a civilian group to oversee the
president/government--perhaps one which is militia based would be
appropriate. It certainly is time this surfaces to the realm of
rational discussion ... they are no longer OUR servants! We simply have
to get their attention and focus back ...

Regards,
JS

I suppose in the cities you have different views of the police but
without money
they then become part of the public, good or otherwise as in New
Orleans,
On the other hand gun sales are sky rocketing in the Midwest so one
can shoot deer I suppose
and I can't see Obama saying "let the public eat cake". On the other
side of the coin, if the public is
not paid enough to buy the products that they make it becomes a
question of living or dying, your choice!
Do you think that hams will come to the aid of the government in a
case of crisis?
I think we should let this thread die before we are accused of
sedition
Regards
Art


Toilet bombs are more surgical. Catch em where they go.

Isn't sedition what we do to get ready for an election?
But then you and I don't have the Millions and Billions
to overthrow the Government with, so at best we are just
nuisance.

Actually the cops might sooner or later realize they are just
an army dangling off the end of a phone line ready to roll for
the biggest liar and might just be doing someone else's dirty
work. What's most worrisome is the ones that decide who
gets the Gov. jobs or the media jobs in the first place.
That's where we have been underestimating the enemy.
If some people want to get together to take over something,
they can pretty much do it all over people who are trying to
be fair about things.

Violent revolutions don't happen without lots of people
running around with nothing better to do, but technology
has a way of putting people way out of reach of such
unpleasantness. This is probably the biggest reason
things never progressed to a violent revolution like China
or Vietnam and capitalism never lost it's place. A well
disciplined military probably has lots to do with that too.

Obama has been saying "let them eat cake" for a long
time. I wonder if anyone caught his Dec 2 governors
meeting on the economy where he tells them "...change
is going to come from YOU, not from Washington". I was
hoping he would at least be willing to learn but the voters
have a lot to learn for sure.

JB wrote:

...
Obama has been saying "let them eat cake" for a long
time. I wonder if anyone caught his Dec 2 governors
meeting on the economy where he tells them "...change
is going to come from YOU, not from Washington". I was
hoping he would at least be willing to learn but the voters
have a lot to learn for sure.


Actually, your brain has turned to jelly from lack of use ... :-(

Everything comes from you and me, it a government of the people, by the
people and for the people ...

Now, let's get to work, give 'em the bums rush, and get rid of this
group of crooks! If Obama assists, good enough, if not, let him begone
also.

Regards,
JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:

...
Obama has been saying "let them eat cake" for a long
time. I wonder if anyone caught his Dec 2 governors
meeting on the economy where he tells them "...change
is going to come from YOU, not from Washington". I was
hoping he would at least be willing to learn but the voters
have a lot to learn for sure.


Actually, your brain has turned to jelly from lack of use ... :-(

Everything comes from you and me, it a government of the people, by the
people and for the people ...

Now, let's get to work, give 'em the bums rush, and get rid of this
group of crooks! If Obama assists, good enough, if not, let him begone
also.

Regards,
JS

Typical red herring argument. When you don't have a answer, then proceed to
insults and character assassination. Gee, wasn't Obama from Al Capones neck
of the woods? I mean how do you beat up people for votes if you don't have
their unions and livelihood in the palm of your hand. Oh! that's right,
Obama's not a crook, he's a LAWYER! His favorite idol is Saul Alinsky (who
seems to be the hero of the party since so many quote him) who actually
worked for Al Capone! Then there's his "spiritual advisor" that he had to
distance himself after 20 years of EXPLOITATION of race and class
divisions.

Republicans keep harping about conservative "values" like personal
responsibility and not killing babies for the sake of convenience.
Democrats think of the little people as votes and "manure for the
revolution" and that its stupid to go down with your team when you can just
"throw someone under the bus" (the vernacular of ACORN).

The only difference I see is one that is shamed into following their own
rules and another who simply changes the rules or the judges.

see: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3185000AAwKH7l

JB wrote:
....

Like I say it is a no-brainer, the forefathers gave us a heavy
responsibility:

Declaration of Independence
[Adopted in Congress 4 July 1776]
The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a
decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
....

As true Americans, we are ordered to take back and restore a sane and
just government when our public servants forget their places ... end of
story.

Regards,
JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:

...
Obama has been saying "let them eat cake" for a long
time. I wonder if anyone caught his Dec 2 governors
meeting on the economy where he tells them "...change
is going to come from YOU, not from Washington". I was
hoping he would at least be willing to learn but the voters
have a lot to learn for sure.


This profile makes more sense. The only problem with the definition
involves the local culture standards clause. In this sense, Hitler and Idi
Amin would have been OK! In my book, Moral Relativism is dung.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

JB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:

...
Obama has been saying "let them eat cake" for a long
time. I wonder if anyone caught his Dec 2 governors
meeting on the economy where he tells them "...change
is going to come from YOU, not from Washington". I was
hoping he would at least be willing to learn but the voters
have a lot to learn for sure.


This profile makes more sense. The only problem with the definition
involves the local culture standards clause. In this sense, Hitler and Idi
Amin would have been OK! In my book, Moral Relativism is dung.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html


Makes perfect sense to me. Government is supposed to be the people,
that is where the change MUST come from. You think those in power which
have usurped the peoples powers are the norm for True Americans? I
think not ...

Ask not what your government can do for you; Ask what you can do to
restore power to the people!

Regards,
JS

Art Unwin wrote:

...
I suppose in the cities you have different views of the police but
without money
they then become part of the public, good or otherwise as in New
Orleans,
On the other hand gun sales are sky rocketing in the Midwest so one
can shoot deer I suppose
and I can't see Obama saying "let the public eat cake". On the other
side of the coin, if the public is
not paid enough to buy the products that they make it becomes a
question of living or dying, your choice!
Do you think that hams will come to the aid of the government in a
case of crisis?
I think we should let this thread die before we are accused of
sedition
Regards
Art

You are right, if all goes well, we stop paying the crooks and they go
home ... however ... if not ...

You will need the guns, IF the government has reason to hunt you, you
will need the guns for food (you may have to learn to eat government
officials!)--while you live off the land ... they are good, the guns.

But, doing a "Clint Eastwood" on a swat squad? Hmmm, show me?

However, knowing how to make explosives out of obtainable materials may
make a person a "technical expert", indeed, it may make one a valid
guru--something I have NOT seen in ages! Knowing that perchlorates
exist in common bleach and how to use them as oxidizers, this is good!
Knowing how to construct a flame thrower out of an air tank off a
semi-truck, some tubing, a valve and bicycle pump, and able to use any
fuel may just make one a desirable friend ... ya never know, ya just
never know ... your best ally? An open mind!

One question which is always valid, "Are we men, or are we mice?" (Or,
are we sheep, or are we free?) My father was a man (actually, a free
man--and a Freemason) ... you will have to watch me and make up your own
mind--as to myself ... :-)

But then, how do you know I am not just kidding? evil-malicious grin

When we see American Terrorists, we WILL know change is in the wind, let
it be a good change ... and let them kick those whoosie mooselims butts!

Regards,
JS