On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:55:02 -0800, (Dave Platt)
wrote:

In article ,
Top wrote:

Cophase being omindirectional? You need to do some more
reading before you try to correct anything.

The directionality of a broadside array (with the two radiators fed
exactly in phase) depends very strongly on the separation between the
two antennas. For separations of 1/4 wavelength or less, there's very
little directionality - the pattern is very close to omnidirectional.

Every dual-antenna truck setup I've seen has been a side-by-side
mounting (e.g. one on the left mirror and one on the right), and the
harness feeds them both in-phase. I've been assuming that this was
what was being meant by "co-phase".

If so, I stand by my statement that two CB antennas, fed in phase
through a co-phase harness (i.e. no phase difference between the two),
and separated by only 54 inches, produces a nearly-omnidirectional
signal. The two antennas need to be further apart, before the pattern
becomes significantly directional.

Take a look at the NEC plots at http://www.cosjwt.com/index.php?a=20
to see... the 4.5-foot separation model produces a pattern which is
almost circular. There is little gain towards the front and back, and
very little loss off to the sides. These plots seem to jibe well with
other references I've read (Terman, Kraus, and the graphs in the ARRL
Antenna Book).

The other alternative is an end-fire array, with the antennas fed
signals of opposite phase - with these then there can be significant
directionality even with close spacing of the antennas. In a
truck-antenna system, this would require placing the antennas one in
front of the other, separating them by several feet, and inverting the
phase of the signal sent to one of the two antennas (perhaps by having
the feed coax to one antenna be 1/2-wavelength longer than the other).
You could get several dB of gain this way... but the close spacing
will cause the antenna feedpoint impedance to drop a lot, and some
form of matching network will certainly be required to keep the radio
happy and develop maximum power from the transmitter.

The two bottom plots on the site I mentioned above, show the effect of
feeding the antennas with signals of different phase. In these
examples, the pattern is being skewed off to one side - the difference
in feedline length is converting the antenna from a broadside array to
an end-fire array. With the right amount of phase shift, you end up
with a cardioid pattern, with a broad lobe in one direction and a very
deep null in the other.

Ya gots to understand with whom you are trying to communicate.
"Top" is the master know it all who has absolutely no background in
electronics. He just drives a truck and thinks that gives him the
knowledge. You've heard of "Billy Big Rigger"? You just met the dude.
Top just goes along with what other truckers have said over the years.

I have the actual working experience to back me up with.
The only thing Top knows about CB is how to yack on it.

uuuuhhhh..... you're wrong as usual Bulli****.

Top was Military and got his commo expertise there. IIRC he's not a truck
driver at all.

"Zeke" wrote in message ...
uuuuhhhh..... you're wrong as usual Bulli****.

Top was career Military and got his commo expertise there. IIRC he's
not a truck driver at all.


Exactly, a matter of public record here that Richard has seen several
times previously, and just forgot.

Here's Richard's esteemed military career (and how he was caught lying
about it): http://bolo_bullis.tripod.com/

What's amazing is that Richard and I were just discussing what a total,
absolute and complete asshole he makes himself look like every time he tries
to make himself look tough or smart at anyone's expense.

Of course he can't hear a word of that, and immediately starts this.

Richard, who is also a career pedophile and damn proud of it, has had, and
will always have, the same problem, and that's that he just can't keep his
festering gob shut.

What amazes me is that he's skunked a dozen usenet groups over the years,
is internationally know as a scumbag, but still sees the world through his
own rose colored glasses, like we might have forgotten his previous and
extensive bombast and flummery.

Funny, or sad?

--
Popeye
"Best thing for him, really. His therapy
was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector.

www.finalprotectivefire.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:51:28 -0500, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:

"Zeke" wrote in message ...
uuuuhhhh..... you're wrong as usual Bulli****.

Top was career Military and got his commo expertise there. IIRC he's
not a truck driver at all.


Exactly, a matter of public record here that Richard has seen several
times previously, and just forgot.


Since this thread is going to groups who do not know me, I will try to
clairify the lies here.



Here's Richard's esteemed military career (and how he was caught lying
about it): http://bolo_bullis.tripod.com/

First, that is an exact copy of my dd214 acquired under the FOIA.
It states I served. Unlike the lies that promulgate from it that says
I did not.
2nd, why is the word before "discharge" blacked out? That was not done
by the US goverment. It was done to make it look more damning.
I never claimed to be anything I was not. I said I never got beyond
boot camp and my highest rank was E1. The dd214 confirms that.
I said I had enlisted for the ASA but never got involved with it.
While others claimed I had claimed to be super secret spy or in
special forces. Most of those lies were all created by "Just Taylor".


What's amazing is that Richard and I were just discussing what a total,
absolute and complete asshole he makes himself look like every time he tries
to make himself look tough or smart at anyone's expense.

I'm not saying I am smarter than many, in this thread I have been
trying to point out that a lot of information given in this thread is
totally wrong. As have others. Why don't you pick on them, asshole.


Of course he can't hear a word of that, and immediately starts this.

Richard, who is also a career pedophile and damn proud of it, has had, and
will always have, the same problem, and that's that he just can't keep his
festering gob shut.

Pedophile being defined here as a person who others claim is a
pedophile because the damning word sticks to more feeble brains than
any other word. No one has ever proven, in 10 years, that I am, have
been, or currently am, a true pedophile. It's nothing more than ill
words on a screen.


What amazes me is that he's skunked a dozen usenet groups over the years,
is internationally know as a scumbag, but still sees the world through his
own rose colored glasses, like we might have forgotten his previous and
extensive bombast and flummery.

While ****heads like you keep wanting to let the world know about the
past anyway they can. No proof, just a lot of hot air.



Funny, or sad?

Sad boy you are and you wore a uniform? God help us all.

"richard" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:51:28 -0500, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:

"Zeke" wrote in message ...
uuuuhhhh..... you're wrong as usual Bulli****.

Top was career Military and got his commo expertise there. IIRC he's
not a truck driver at all.


Exactly, a matter of public record here that Richard has seen several
times previously, and just forgot.


Since this thread is going to groups who do not know me, I will try to
clairify the lies here.

snicker

Here's Richard's esteemed military career (and how he was caught lying
about it): http://bolo_bullis.tripod.com/

First, that is an exact copy of my dd214 acquired under the FOIA.
It states I served. Unlike the lies that promulgate from it that says
I did not.
2nd, why is the word before "discharge" blacked out?

No one wonders "why".

You've had three or four decades to get a new one, and you don't, and
we -know- why.

That was not done
by the US goverment. It was done to make it look more damning.
I never claimed to be anything I was not. I said I never got beyond
boot camp and my highest rank was E1. The dd214 confirms that.
I said I had enlisted for the ASA but never got involved with it.
While others claimed I had claimed to be super secret spy or in
special forces. Most of those lies were all created by "Just Taylor".


What's amazing is that Richard and I were just discussing what a total,
absolute and complete asshole he makes himself look like every time he
tries
to make himself look tough or smart at anyone's expense.

I'm not saying I am smarter than many, in this thread I have been
trying to point out that a lot of information given in this thread is
totally wrong. As have others. Why don't you pick on them, asshole.

But whether you're right or wrong, Richard, you can't state anything
without a demeaning attack on others, usually embarrassingly incorrect, like
you just did to Top.

It's because of your angst and poor self-esteem, probably because of the
inbreeding.

And not man enough to correct yourself, from your flagrantly idiotic rant
about Top being "billy bigrigger" (when he doesn't drive truck), a term you
use frequently, that describes, well, you and Roger, more than anyone else
here.

If Top was wrong, you could have -easily- made your point without being
abrasive, as others did, yet you attacked.

Which is why -you're- always attacked.

Because you DESERVE it, Richard.

You actively -earn- the animosity of others, because you CAN'T KEEP YOUR
****ING MOUTH SHUT.

Of course he can't hear a word of that, and immediately starts this.

Richard, who is also a career pedophile and damn proud of it, has had,
and
will always have, the same problem, and that's that he just can't keep his
festering gob shut.

Pedophile being defined here

No, Richard.

No.

Not "pedophile being defined" however it's convenient to you.

Pedophile -has- a definition, and I've posted it many times, with your
grossly inapropriate posting history.

It's a matter of -permanent- record, Richard, and you can't spin puppy
**** into butterscotch pudding.

as a person who others claim is a
pedophile because the damning word sticks to more feeble brains than
any other word. No one has ever proven, in 10 years, that I am, have
been, or currently am, a true pedophile. It's nothing more than ill
words on a screen.


What amazes me is that he's skunked a dozen usenet groups over the
years,
is internationally know as a scumbag, but still sees the world through his
own rose colored glasses, like we might have forgotten his previous and
extensive bombast and flummery.

While ****heads like you keep wanting to let the world know about the
past anyway they can. No proof, just a lot of hot air.

I just state the facts, -with- the proof.

You're the one with the revolving definitions and X-files DD214.

You could clear that discharge up -anytime-, and choose to make excuses
instead.

We -know- why, Richard.

Funny, or sad?

Sad boy you are

If I was any happier, I'd have to be -two- people.

and you wore a uniform?

Yeah, for an entire enlistment, imagine that.

I know that's a foriegn concept to you.

God help us all.

Worry about yourself, dude.



--
Popeye
"Best thing for him, really. His therapy
was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector.

www.finalprotectivefire.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762

"richard" wrote in message
...

Ya gots to understand with whom you are trying to communicate.
"Top" is the master know it all who has absolutely no background in
electronics. He just drives a truck and thinks that gives him the
knowledge. You've heard of "Billy Big Rigger"? You just met the dude.
Top just goes along with what other truckers have said over the years.

I have the actual working experience to back me up with.
The only thing Top knows about CB is how to yack on it.

Wow.

Acer laptop: $600

20" monitor: $225

Verizon data card: $50

Watching Richtard stick his pecker in the outlet, -again-,

Priceless.



--
Popeye
"Best thing for him, really. His therapy
was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector.

www.finalprotectivefire.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:12:25 -0500, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:

"richard" wrote in message
.. .

Ya gots to understand with whom you are trying to communicate.
"Top" is the master know it all who has absolutely no background in
electronics. He just drives a truck and thinks that gives him the
knowledge. You've heard of "Billy Big Rigger"? You just met the dude.
Top just goes along with what other truckers have said over the years.

I have the actual working experience to back me up with.
The only thing Top knows about CB is how to yack on it.

Wow.

Acer laptop: $600

20" monitor: $225

Verizon data card: $50

Watching Richtard stick his pecker in the outlet, -again-,

Priceless.

Is he two prong or three prong?

CNR

richard wrote in
:

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:55:02 -0800,
(Dave Platt) wrote:

In article ,
Top wrote:

Cophase being omindirectional? You need to do some more
reading before you try to correct anything.

The directionality of a broadside array (with the two
radiators fed exactly in phase) depends very strongly on
the separation between the two antennas. For separations
of 1/4 wavelength or less, there's very little
directionality - the pattern is very close to
omnidirectional.

Every dual-antenna truck setup I've seen has been a
side-by-side mounting (e.g. one on the left mirror and one
on the right), and the harness feeds them both in-phase.
I've been assuming that this was what was being meant by
"co-phase".

If so, I stand by my statement that two CB antennas, fed in
phase through a co-phase harness (i.e. no phase difference
between the two), and separated by only 54 inches, produces
a nearly-omnidirectional signal. The two antennas need to
be further apart, before the pattern becomes significantly
directional.

Take a look at the NEC plots at
http://www.cosjwt.com/index.php?a=20 to see... the 4.5-foot
separation model produces a pattern which is almost
circular. There is little gain towards the front and back,
and very little loss off to the sides. These plots seem to
jibe well with other references I've read (Terman, Kraus,
and the graphs in the ARRL Antenna Book).

The other alternative is an end-fire array, with the
antennas fed signals of opposite phase - with these then
there can be significant directionality even with close
spacing of the antennas. In a truck-antenna system, this
would require placing the antennas one in front of the
other, separating them by several feet, and inverting the
phase of the signal sent to one of the two antennas
(perhaps by having the feed coax to one antenna be
1/2-wavelength longer than the other). You could get
several dB of gain this way... but the close spacing will
cause the antenna feedpoint impedance to drop a lot, and
some form of matching network will certainly be required to
keep the radio happy and develop maximum power from the
transmitter.

The two bottom plots on the site I mentioned above, show
the effect of feeding the antennas with signals of
different phase. In these examples, the pattern is being
skewed off to one side - the difference in feedline length
is converting the antenna from a broadside array to an
end-fire array. With the right amount of phase shift, you
end up with a cardioid pattern, with a broad lobe in one
direction and a very deep null in the other.

Ya gots to understand with whom you are trying to
communicate. "Top" is the master know it all who has
absolutely no background in electronics. He just drives a
truck and thinks that gives him the knowledge. You've heard
of "Billy Big Rigger"? You just met the dude. Top just goes
along with what other truckers have said over the years.

I have the actual working experience to back me up with.
The only thing Top knows about CB is how to yack on it.



Dave let's agree to our own experiences.

Now to Richard

You forgot who you are talking to again. Nothing unusual for
you to get things wrong. I don't drive a truck unless you are
talking about a pickup. As far as electronics backround I was
in communications in the Army. I spent a good bit of time in
the field in sitiuations where I had no backup so I had to
know enough to make things work when they broke. I don't mean
simple backpack radios either. Then there was the year I spent
teaching radio wave propagation. Another year teaching
programming small and meduim size telephone switches. In 2005
(well after I had retired) I spent the year assembling boards
to build MRI machines. If you think I have no electronics
knowledge then as usual you brain is no bigger than you little
toe.