Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

There were very few sunspots during the last "Little Ice Age"
from about 1645 to 1715. Might we be entering another one?

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sola...ssn_yearly.jpg

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...le_new_ic.html

http://english.pravda.ru/science/ear...arth_ice_age-0
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
There were very few sunspots during the last "Little Ice Age"
from about 1645 to 1715. Might we be entering another one?

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sola...ssn_yearly.jpg

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...le_new_ic.html

http://english.pravda.ru/science/ear...arth_ice_age-0
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

------------

That has been on my mind also. We do having a significant slowing of the
current known as the Atlantic Conveyor over the last several years. That
does not bode well for Europe/England just by itself.

I was looking forward to one more active sunspot cycle before I died (I'm a
six meter fan), but it doesn't appear that we are going to have one, if
present trends continue.

Of course, just when you think you have Mother Nature all figured out - she
comes out of left field with some new phenomenon that catches us by
surprise. For instance, the Yellowstone super caldera. If that were to
erupt, it would mean an Ice Age for sure. Or would it?

Ed, N2ECW

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Cecil,

We might indeed be approaching a Dalton Minimum, if not a full scale
Maunder Minimum. Much like AGW, there is a strong East-West dichotomy
in predictions. The NASA-ESA solar gurus have in the past been
predicting a good cycle 24 followed by a poor cycle 25. By contrasts,
the Russians have been predicting that cycle 24 and 25 will be very
low. The NASA predictions out of MSFC seem to be converging toward
the Russian values. We shall see.

Somewhat OT, but last year I taught a General Class license course.
The standard illustrations of the sunspot cycle are basically good and
better. I added in some historical data showing the Dalton and
Maunder Minima. It was fun to watch the wide eyes.


--
Alan
WA4SCA

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
There were very few sunspots during the last "Little Ice Age"
from about 1645 to 1715. Might we be entering another one?

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/sola...ssn_yearly.jpg

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...le_new_ic.html


http://english.pravda.ru/science/ear...arth_ice_age-0


Ice ages are liberal scare tactics! 8^)


Seriously, I think we're going to need more of a sample than just one
Maunder minimum. Check back with me in another 50 years, and we'll
discuss.......


- 73 d eMike N3LI -

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Ed Cregger wrote:

That has been on my mind also. We do having a significant slowing of the
current known as the Atlantic Conveyor over the last several years. That
does not bode well for Europe/England just by itself.

I was looking forward to one more active sunspot cycle before I died (I'm a
six meter fan), but it doesn't appear that we are going to have one, if
present trends continue.

Of course, just when you think you have Mother Nature all figured out - she
comes out of left field with some new phenomenon that catches us by
surprise. For instance, the Yellowstone super caldera. If that were to
erupt, it would mean an Ice Age for sure. Or would it?


Anyone keeping tabs on the earthquake activity in Yellowstone?


http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/




- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

That has been on my mind also. We do having a significant slowing of the
current known as the Atlantic Conveyor over the last several years. That
does not bode well for Europe/England just by itself.

I was looking forward to one more active sunspot cycle before I died (I'm
a six meter fan), but it doesn't appear that we are going to have one, if
present trends continue.

Of course, just when you think you have Mother Nature all figured out -
she comes out of left field with some new phenomenon that catches us by
surprise. For instance, the Yellowstone super caldera. If that were to
erupt, it would mean an Ice Age for sure. Or would it?


Anyone keeping tabs on the earthquake activity in Yellowstone?


http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/




- 73 de Mike N3LI -

-------------

Somewhat. That would definitely bring on an Ice Age, should it have a full
scale eruption. Never a boring moment.

Ed, N2ECW

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:37:34 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

There were very few sunspots during the last "Little Ice Age"
from about 1645 to 1715. Might we be entering another one?

Just one of many predictions for the demise of civilization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans_and_planet_Earth

Personally, I think a random asteroid impact, will trigger mass
retaliation by a paranoid military, guessing that it's a missile
attack. The explosions will cause one of several super volcanoes to
erupt, resulting in global famine and precipitate another ice age. the
resultant earthquakes will precipitate tsunami's, pandemics, and 3rd
party politics. After a few thousand years for the planet to recover,
the dinosaurs will return, take over, and devour the survivors. The
date of this event is probably one of the following:
http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm
2012 seems to be the consensus. Please mark your calendar.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:22:57 -0500, Ed Cregger wrote:


I was looking forward to one more active sunspot cycle before I died
(I'm a six meter fan), but it doesn't appear that we are going to have
one, if present trends continue.


The sun is fine. There is nothing extraordinary nor remarkable about
this minimum.

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:22:10 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:37:34 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

There were very few sunspots during the last "Little Ice Age" from about
1645 to 1715. Might we be entering another one?

Just one of many predictions for the demise of civilization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Risks_to_civilization,_humans_and_planet_Earth

Personally, I think a random asteroid impact, will trigger mass
retaliation by a paranoid military, guessing that it's a missile attack.
The explosions will cause one of several super volcanoes to erupt,
resulting in global famine and precipitate another ice age. the
resultant earthquakes will precipitate tsunami's, pandemics, and 3rd
party politics. After a few thousand years for the planet to recover,
the dinosaurs will return, take over, and devour the survivors. The
date of this event is probably one of the following:
http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm 2012 seems to be the
consensus. Please mark your calendar.

We should be so lucky...

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Dave wrote:
The sun is fine. There is nothing extraordinary nor remarkable about
this minimum.

Here's a quote from the web:

"The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle,
No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual
build-up in sunspot numbers. It didn't happen. That the rapid
temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle
No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection
but it is cause for concern."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:37:34 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

There were very few sunspots during the last "Little Ice Age"
from about 1645 to 1715. Might we be entering another one?

Just one of many predictions for the demise of civilization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans_and_planet_Earth

Personally, I think a random asteroid impact, will trigger mass
retaliation by a paranoid military, guessing that it's a missile
attack. The explosions will cause one of several super volcanoes to
erupt, resulting in global famine and precipitate another ice age. the
resultant earthquakes will precipitate tsunami's, pandemics, and 3rd
party politics. After a few thousand years for the planet to recover,
the dinosaurs will return, take over, and devour the survivors. The
date of this event is probably one of the following:
http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm
2012 seems to be the consensus. Please mark your calendar.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

---------

Hey! I saw that movie too! 8)

Ed, N2ECW

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"Howard Eisenhauer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:22:10 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:37:34 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

There were very few sunspots during the last "Little Ice Age"
from about 1645 to 1715. Might we be entering another one?

Just one of many predictions for the demise of civilization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans_and_planet_Earth

Personally, I think a random asteroid impact, will trigger mass
retaliation by a paranoid military, guessing that it's a missile
attack. The explosions will cause one of several super volcanoes to
erupt, resulting in global famine and precipitate another ice age. the
resultant earthquakes will precipitate tsunami's, pandemics, and 3rd
party politics. After a few thousand years for the planet to recover,
the dinosaurs will return, take over, and devour the survivors. The
date of this event is probably one of the following:
http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm
2012 seems to be the consensus. Please mark your calendar.


Just so long as dogs and cats don't start living together.

H.

------------

Yeah, that and the appearance of full bodied vaporous apparitions.

Ed, N2ECW

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

In article ,
"Ed Cregger" wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

That has been on my mind also. We do having a significant slowing of the
current known as the Atlantic Conveyor over the last several years. That
does not bode well for Europe/England just by itself.

I was looking forward to one more active sunspot cycle before I died (I'm
a six meter fan), but it doesn't appear that we are going to have one, if
present trends continue.

Of course, just when you think you have Mother Nature all figured out -
she comes out of left field with some new phenomenon that catches us by
surprise. For instance, the Yellowstone super caldera. If that were to
erupt, it would mean an Ice Age for sure. Or would it?


Anyone keeping tabs on the earthquake activity in Yellowstone?


http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/




- 73 de Mike N3LI -

-------------

Somewhat. That would definitely bring on an Ice Age, should it have a full
scale eruption. Never a boring moment.

Ed, N2ECW

sigh, like many i've been waiting for the bands to come alive and
start jumping

hopfully it's just a bit of a delay and not a way way long term wait

but i guess the only thing worse then many more years of dead bands
would be for the world to end egads if that happens i can always
do EME but its not the same

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

On Jan 14, 5:22*pm, ml wrote:
In article ,
*"Ed Cregger" wrote:



"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

That has been on my mind also. We do having a significant slowing of the
current known as the Atlantic Conveyor over the last several years. That
does not bode well for Europe/England just by itself.

I was looking forward to one more active sunspot cycle before I died (I'm
a six meter fan), but it doesn't appear that we are going to have one, if
present trends continue.

Of course, just when you think you have Mother Nature all figured out -
she comes out of left field with some new phenomenon that catches us by
surprise. For instance, the Yellowstone super caldera. If that were to
erupt, it would mean an Ice Age for sure. Or would it?

Anyone keeping tabs on the earthquake activity in Yellowstone?

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

-------------

Somewhat. That would definitely bring on an Ice Age, should it have a full
scale eruption. Never a boring moment.

Ed, N2ECW

sigh, like many *i've been waiting * for the bands *to *come alive *and *
start jumping *

hopfully it's just a bit of a delay and not * a way way long term wait

but i guess the only thing *worse *then *many more years *of *dead bands *
would be for the world *to end * egads * if that happens * i can always
do *EME *but *its not the same

Remember that it is predicted that our world will flip with respect to
the poles
thus the zenith of sun spots will alter by eleven years. Best to learn
to swim before that happens. Last thing I heard was the magnetic pole
was in Siberia and still going away. Hopefully there is
still time for the poles to change their minds and return.
Art
Art

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Art Unwin wrote:


Remember that it is predicted that our world will flip with respect to
the poles
thus the zenith of sun spots will alter by eleven years. Best to learn
to swim before that happens. Last thing I heard was the magnetic pole
was in Siberia and still going away. Hopefully there is
still time for the poles to change their minds and return.
Art
Art

The Earth's magnetic field does not affect when sunspots happen.

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Dave wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:


Remember that it is predicted that our world will flip with respect to
the poles
thus the zenith of sun spots will alter by eleven years. Best to learn
to swim before that happens. Last thing I heard was the magnetic pole
was in Siberia and still going away. Hopefully there is
still time for the poles to change their minds and return.
Art
Art

The Earth's magnetic field does not affect when sunspots happen.
Actually the northern magnetic pole is in Eastern Northern Canada and
progressing slowly eastward.

The current sunspot cycle is merely slow in appearing. The 11 year cycle
is only an average. Some cycles are less than 11 yrs and some are longer.

Dave

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

On Jan 14, 8:23*pm, Dave wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:

Remember that it is predicted that our world will flip with respect to
the poles
thus the zenith of sun spots will alter by eleven years. Best to learn
to swim before that happens. Last thing I heard was the magnetic pole
was in Siberia and still going away. Hopefully there is
still time for the poles to change their minds and return.
Art
Art

The Earth's magnetic field does not affect when sunspots happen.

From what I have read the alignment of poles from both of them ( Sun
and Earth) determine
the degree of sunspots and flares. This was reported in Scientific
American sometime last year together with the magnetic type stream and
their elasticity and it relationship with respect to the solar wind. I
don't know enough about the subject to debate what is correct and what
is correct.
But it does correlate with the sun's cycle that is of concern to hams
at the present time and with hams past experiences.
Art

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

On Jan 14, 8:47*pm, "David G. Nagel"
wrote:
Dave wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:

Remember that it is predicted that our world will flip with respect to
the poles
thus the zenith of sun spots will alter by eleven years. Best to learn
to swim before that happens. Last thing I heard was the magnetic pole
was in Siberia and still going away. Hopefully there is
still time for the poles to change their minds and return.
Art
Art

The Earth's magnetic field does not affect when sunspots happen.

Actually the northern magnetic pole is in Eastern Northern Canada and
progressing slowly eastward.

.................................................. ...

Outch How can I be so wrong? I will blame it on my poor memory.
I thought its position was in the area of the Berring sea straights
heading for
Siberia. Could it be Mrs Palin who said she could see it from her
house in Alaska
which is America's NORTH WEST coast. If you feel it is positioned
between Canada and Greenland more power to you !
Art

.................................................. ......

The current sunspot cycle is merely slow in appearing. The 11 year cycle
is only an average. Some cycles are less than 11 yrs and some are longer.

Dave

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"David G. Nagel" wrote in message
...


The current sunspot cycle is merely slow in appearing. The 11 year cycle
is only an average. Some cycles are less than 11 yrs and some are longer.

Cycle 23 was strongly double-peaked. If you view a graph of several
single-peak cycles overlaid with 23, then move the second half of 23 to the
left, so its second peak matches the peaks of the other cycles, the falloff
of 23 looks more nearly typical.

Could it be that Cycle 23's notable second peak has made it last longer? I
hope that's it. Or maybe Cycle 24 is just the beginning of the Unwin
Minimum.

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Art Unwin wrote:
From what I have read the alignment of poles from both of them ( Sun
and Earth) determine the degree of sunspots and flares.

Are you aware that the Sun's magnetic poles reverse every
solar cycle at the peak of the cycle? Quoting:

"The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with
the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern
hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again.
This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of
every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork."

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm

The degree of sunspots and flares are a cause. The effects
on Earth depend upon "the alignment of the poles from both
of them" which changes approximately every 11 years.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Art Unwin wrote:
Outch How can I be so wrong? I will blame it on my poor memory.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/Y2...neticfield.htm

Scroll down toward the bottom of the page to see what a pole
reversal in progress might look like.

http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/northpole_e.php

"The North Magnetic Pole is slowly drifting across the Canadian
Arctic. ... The most recent survey, completed in May, 2001,
determined an updated position for the Pole and established that
it is moving approximately northwest at 40 km per year."
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Art Unwin wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:47 pm, "David G. Nagel"
wrote:
Dave wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
Remember that it is predicted that our world will flip with respect to
the poles
thus the zenith of sun spots will alter by eleven years. Best to learn
to swim before that happens. Last thing I heard was the magnetic pole
was in Siberia and still going away. Hopefully there is
still time for the poles to change their minds and return.
Art
Art
The Earth's magnetic field does not affect when sunspots happen.
Actually the northern magnetic pole is in Eastern Northern Canada and
progressing slowly eastward.

.................................................. ..

Outch How can I be so wrong? I will blame it on my poor memory.
I thought its position was in the area of the Berring sea straights
heading for
Siberia. Could it be Mrs Palin who said she could see it from her
house in Alaska
which is America's NORTH WEST coast. If you feel it is positioned
between Canada and Greenland more power to you !
Art

.................................................. .....
The current sunspot cycle is merely slow in appearing. The 11 year cycle
is only an average. Some cycles are less than 11 yrs and some are longer.

Dave


Hay Art. They say the memory is the second thing to go, I forget what is
first. HI HI

The following is from Wikipedia:
In 2001, the North Magnetic Pole was determined by the Geological Survey
of Canada to lie near Ellesmere Island in northern Canada at [show
location on an interactive map] 81°18?N 110°48?W? / ?81.3, -110.8?
(Magnetic North Pole 2001). It was estimated to be at [show location on
an interactive map] 82°42?N 114°24?W? / ?82.7, -114.4? (Magnetic North
Pole 2005 est) in 2005.

There is a URL link in the actual Wiki listing showing where the mag
poles are located. Please refer to Wiki for this information.
I hope you have a Happy New Year.

Dave

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"ml" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Ed Cregger" wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

That has been on my mind also. We do having a significant slowing of
the
current known as the Atlantic Conveyor over the last several years.
That
does not bode well for Europe/England just by itself.

I was looking forward to one more active sunspot cycle before I died
(I'm
a six meter fan), but it doesn't appear that we are going to have one,
if
present trends continue.

Of course, just when you think you have Mother Nature all figured
out -
she comes out of left field with some new phenomenon that catches us
by
surprise. For instance, the Yellowstone super caldera. If that were to
erupt, it would mean an Ice Age for sure. Or would it?


Anyone keeping tabs on the earthquake activity in Yellowstone?


http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/




- 73 de Mike N3LI -

-------------

Somewhat. That would definitely bring on an Ice Age, should it have a
full
scale eruption. Never a boring moment.

Ed, N2ECW

sigh, like many i've been waiting for the bands to come alive and
start jumping

hopfully it's just a bit of a delay and not a way way long term wait

but i guess the only thing worse then many more years of dead bands
would be for the world to end egads if that happens i can always
do EME but its not the same

------------

I'm with you. I don't want our present civilization to collapse either.

Will the Sun bounce back to normal? Some say it isn't truly abnormal yet.
Me, I don't know the answer, but I'm running out of time, as are we all. I'd
like for this Cycle to come forth and provide we amateur radio ops with some
good six meter propagation. It could happen.

Ed, N2ECW

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"Ed Cregger" wrote in message
...


... I'm running out of time, as are we all. I'd
like for this Cycle to come forth ...

I'll be 66 in a few weeks. If I have to wait for Cycle 25 to peak, that'll
put me beyond 80. But even with poor propagation, it's never zero,
especially on 20m and below, so I do what I can.

I enjoyed a few days of good propagation on 10m last year and I worked into
South America barefoot. The antenna was a dipole made of TV antenna
elements bolted together and laying on the garage roof. Really.

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
...

"Ed Cregger" wrote in message
...


... I'm running out of time, as are we all. I'd
like for this Cycle to come forth ...

I'll be 66 in a few weeks. If I have to wait for Cycle 25 to peak,
that'll
put me beyond 80. But even with poor propagation, it's never zero,
especially on 20m and below, so I do what I can.

I enjoyed a few days of good propagation on 10m last year and I worked
into
South America barefoot. The antenna was a dipole made of TV antenna
elements bolted together and laying on the garage roof. Really.


-------


I understand your thought, Sam. And you are right. Make do with what you
have and have a great time anyway.

Ed, N2ECW

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

Sal M. Onella wrote:
But even with poor propagation, it's never zero,
especially on 20m and below, so I do what I can.

Back around 1700, when there were no sunspots, there
were also no ham QSOs. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Sal M. Onella wrote:
But even with poor propagation, it's never zero,
especially on 20m and below, so I do what I can.

Back around 1700, when there were no sunspots, there
were also no ham QSOs. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

LOL Thanks.

Sun Spots During an Ice Age?
 

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:47:06 -0600, "David G. Nagel"
wrote:

Dave wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:


Remember that it is predicted that our world will flip with respect to
the poles
thus the zenith of sun spots will alter by eleven years. Best to learn
to swim before that happens. Last thing I heard was the magnetic pole
was in Siberia and still going away. Hopefully there is
still time for the poles to change their minds and return.
Art
Art

The Earth's magnetic field does not affect when sunspots happen.
Actually the northern magnetic pole is in Eastern Northern Canada and
progressing slowly eastward.

The current sunspot cycle is merely slow in appearing. The 11 year cycle
is only an average. Some cycles are less than 11 yrs and some are longer.

Dave

Actually there are a lot of solar cycles, 7 year, 11 year, 13 year,
and more. Not all have much to do with sunspots though. One is
correlated with human heartbeat for no reasonable reason.

A planetary magnetic minimum may produce much higher ionization in the
ionosphere. No bets on any of this, just wild speculation.