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Designing an antenna for the 5000m band
Hi, Tim. grin!
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:03:44 -0600, Tim Wescott wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:22:20 -0600, Frnak McKenney wrote: Back in December I posted a question about ways to receive LF/VLF radio signals. --snip-- First, the need for impedance matching between an antenna and a receiver. --snip-- This may be a duplicate answer: I _know_ I wrote one, but it seems to have fallen into the bit-bucket. Received and replied to, but your rephrasing is also appreciated. In short: For receiving you don't need to couple well enough to the ether to overwhelm the receiver's noise with the Faintest Possible Signal. You only need to overwhelm the receiver's noise with atmospheric noise. Given the amount of atmospheric noise at 60kHz, that ain't hard. When you get to the point where you hook up the antenna to the rig and you heard static over the noise of the receiver, you know your antenna is good enough. Well, I'm getting static with the built-in whip. On the other hand, I haven't hooked up the downconverter yet. (Transmitting is a different story, but try transmitting at 60kHz and after the FCC gets done with you antenna size will be the least of your worries.) Yeah, but the picture of all the local "Atomic Clocks" changing at once _is_ rather appealing. grin! Whazza matta widda loop? They work fine, they provide some welcome selectivity (well, at 60kHz one may provide _too much_ selectivity), they're easy to construct, they're reputed to reject sky waves -- what more could you want? Laziness? A Scot's instinct to thrift? grin! If you don't want to use a loop, the last time I did anything at MF a short (1m) whip going to a JFET source follower was considered the bee's knees to solve this sort of problem. The whip will pick up atmospheric noise just as well as it'll pick up the intended signal, the JFET will impedance match from that low-capacity whip to your receiver input (I assume, I don't know what the nominal input impedance of your rig is), and all will be well. Well, from my point of view you just justified the effort you put into this second post; you got me digging into the Mohinca's manual which lists sensitivity (10uV) and Selectivity ("3 kc wide at 6 db down"[sic]), but no specific antenna impedance. According to the _schematic_, the two screw-lug connections on the rear of the chassis are "HI-Z" and "GND" (apparently the Heathkit designers thought of a "short wire" antenna as high impedance as well). The HI-Z line runs through a "12uuF"[sic] to the whip, and then both are connected through a 22pF capacitor to the Main Tuning and Antenna Trim capacitors. Fortunately the LF upconverter comes (IIRC) with 1MHz and 4MHz crystals, so I won't be trying to force a 60kHz signal past those itty-bitty little capacitors. grin! Frank -- Ninety-Ninety Rule of Project Scheduling: The first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent. -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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Designing an antenna for the 5000m band
Joe,
Thanks for replying. I wan't entirely certain which of the four I should respond to, but I'm assuming this was the vinfal version. On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:11:29 -0800 (PST), J.A. Legris wrote: On Feb 16, 11:22*pm, Frnak McKenney wrote: Back in December I posted a question about ways to receive LF/VLF radio signals. --snip-- So any non-loop antenna I can construct will necessarily be a "short wire" or "electrically small" antenna (two useful search terms). But how does one go about calculating the impedance of a coat hanger or an extension cord ("short piece of wire")? --snip-- My other question has to do with how to interpret signal strength. --snip-- a signal of at least 100uV/m. *Does this mean that I should expect to see 100uV from any one-meter hunk of wire strung out horizontally in the optimum direction? Or is there something more subtle going on I need to be aware of? A field strength measured in 100 uV/meter is just that, but the problem getting the energy out of the air and into a receiver. Yes. It's not like I can just hang a bucket out the window and bring it back full of electrons wiggling at just the right speed. grin! A short linear antenna has a very low radiation resistance ( 1 ohm) which is a poor match to a practical transmission line, whose characteristic impedance is typically 1000's of times larger. The radiation resistance of an antenna is the component of its complex impedance that is associated with the power captured. Balanis (Antenna Theory Analysis & Design (1997), p.137) gives a formula for the radiation resistance of a short dipole: R = 80 * pi^2 * (W/L)^2 ohms where W is the length of the antenna and L is the wavelength. The value for a monopole is roughly half as much again. Um... 1.5 * 80 * (%pi^2) * (1/5000)^2 is... 471 micro-Ohms? That 's pretty low; why would anyone match that to a JFET input? Why do you request a non-loop antenna? I started there, ran into some questions, and wanted to clear up the confusion in my own head before moving any further. It's not as though I'm prejudiced against them; heck, some of my best friends have radios with loop antennae. grin! ... A small circular loop antenna also has a low radiation resistance but it can be increased by adding turns. Balanis (p.209) gives a formula for the radiation resistance of a small loop: R = 20 * pi^2 * (C/L)^4 * N^2 ohms where C is the circumference of the loop, L is the wavelength and N is the number of turns. Better still is to use a ferrite loop antenna. You may be able to get one out of an old AM radio and adapt it to your receiver. The resulting formula is identical to the above, multiplied by the relative permeability of the core, u (SQUARED !), so you can use a very small-diameter loop and/or fewer turns, getting improved selectivity and sensitivity (i.e. high Q) in a tuned circuit: R = 20 * pi^2 * (C/L)^4 * N^2 * u^2 ohms Oddly enough, I now have ten old transistor radios that I picked up at FrostFest a few weekends back for $1 each. I was looking for ferrite and wide-ratio tuning capacitors, as they seem to be in scarce supply these days. I don't know where today's kids are getting their crystal radio parts from these days; it certainly isn't Radio Shack. Frank -- "A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that he is wiser today than yesterday." -- Jonathan Swift -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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Designing an antenna for the 5000m band
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0600, Frnak McKenney
wrote: What has puzzled me is that I have run across designs that use (e.g.) a JFET isolation amplifier hooked to a whip or hunk-o-wire with the statement (or implication) that this is done to ",atch the antenna's impedance". Hi Frank, Matching provokes heated debates that in times past ran to 600+ postings - few knew what they were arguing (but enjoyed arguing nonetheless) and little was offered. A JFET at these frequencies does satisfy the naive requirements of "matching," but that giving you a reception solution doesn't always follow. So I;ve been trying to figure out how to calculate/estimate what it would be, without much success. The Mohican schematic says quite planely Hi-Z input. This is borne out by the antenna connection feeding a tank circuit in the front end where the input stage is fed from a low tap into a 470 Ohm resistor. This would be your JFET feed Z, but you could choose any suitable close value. As for the input Z, the JFET input resistance is perfectly capable of mismatching horribly high - although this is not about optimal power transfer at these impedance levels. What is at risk, is the JFET input capacitance which could present a low Z at some frequency. Naturally, you select your JFET against this to optimize. It will be in some ratio to the antenna capacitance (if it is bare, short wire) and that will establish the proportion of signal that gets in by divider action. I imagine that the inductance of a 6' extension cord (not plugged in, just dangling from a planter hook grin!) is down in the uH-or-less range, which would mean that most of the "tuning" inductance would have to be supplied to achieve 60kHz. I have this image of a big (tens of mH) inductor in series with a moderate capacitor and my (electrically) short wire; That is one way, other ways work too and are electrically equivalent. Loops help tune and match by a slightly more elaborate means, but still fairly holds to simple requirements. You don't need wire to build an inductor. At these frequencies you can use a capacitor in a Gyrator design. all of the surrounding EM sets the electroncs in the wire to dancing, but the series RC blocks those which are wiggling "off-key" (e.g. not dancing at the "proper" rate of 60kHz). And this responds to the filtering capacity (selection AND rejection). This is called "Q" which also serves the yeoman's task of matching as well (observe the input tank design for the conventional bands). Well, there's no question that I have EM in the area. I hooked my DVM -- set to ACV -- between the radiator and my 6' extension cord; would you believe 8-10V??!! Not much current, though: feed it through a 1k resistor and measure the voltage across it, suddenly it's down in the mV range. grin! Still a lot of power. However, those are probably 60Hz fields because DVMs rarely have the AC BW to go much above 1Khz. The Mohican came with two 12V power "modules" which plug into the back of the unit. The AC power module has a transformer with a 12V-12V center-tapped secondary, which is good, but then they run the line voltage out of the module and down into the receiver's volume control's on/off switch. The module's 12V power and 120V switching connections are done through a 9-pin tube socket with mating connector/cable; remember those? grin! Remembering isn't difficult. I broke into electronics through TV/Radio repair during high school. If I could fix it, I got paid. Anyway, power connections from that era brought "ground" notoriously close to lethal if you plugged the radio into the wall wrong. Some used AC noise reduction circuit design that could almost guarantee your chassis was floating at 70V if things went wrong. I had an ET striker (Navy parlance for a student electronics tech) who connected a TV antenna input to ground, and the insulation melted off of the wire in a heartbeat. This was in the day when we called TV power line interlock replacements "suicide adapters." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Frnak McKenney wrote: Big Snip. Go find Radio-Electronics magazine for 1983, and read the five(?) articles by Ralph Burhans about receiving VLF. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |
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On Feb 18, 3:12*pm, Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0600, Frnak McKenney wrote: What has puzzled me is that I have run across designs that use (e.g.) a JFET isolation amplifier hooked to a whip or hunk-o-wire with the statement (or implication) that this is done to ",atch the antenna's impedance". Hi Frank, Matching provokes heated debates that in times past ran to 600+ postings - few knew what they were arguing (but enjoyed arguing nonetheless) and little was offered. A JFET at these frequencies does satisfy the naive requirements of "matching," but that giving you a reception solution doesn't always follow. So I;ve been trying to figure out how to calculate/estimate what it would be, without much success. The Mohican schematic says quite planely Hi-Z input. *This is borne out by the antenna connection feeding a tank circuit in the front end where the input stage is fed from a low tap into a 470 Ohm resistor. This would be your JFET feed Z, but you could choose any suitable close value. *As for the input Z, the JFET input resistance is perfectly capable of mismatching horribly high - although this is not about optimal power transfer at these impedance levels. *What is at risk, is the JFET input capacitance which could present a low Z at some frequency. *Naturally, you select your JFET against this to optimize. *It will be in some ratio to the antenna capacitance (if it is bare, short wire) and that will establish the proportion of signal that gets in by divider action. I imagine that the inductance of a 6' extension cord (not plugged in, just dangling from a planter hook grin!) is down in the uH-or-less range, which would mean that most of the "tuning" inductance would have to be supplied to achieve 60kHz. *I have this image of a big (tens of mH) inductor in series with a moderate capacitor and my (electrically) short wire; That is one way, other ways work too and are electrically equivalent. Loops help tune and match by a slightly more elaborate means, but still fairly holds to simple requirements. You don't need wire to build an inductor. *At these frequencies you can use a capacitor in a Gyrator design. all of the surrounding EM sets the electroncs in the wire to dancing, but the series RC blocks those which are wiggling "off-key" (e.g. *not dancing at the "proper" rate of 60kHz). And this responds to the filtering capacity (selection AND rejection). This is called "Q" which also serves the yeoman's task of matching as well (observe the input tank design for the conventional bands). Well, there's no question that I have EM in the area. I hooked my DVM -- set to ACV -- between the radiator and my 6' extension cord; would you believe 8-10V??!! Not much current, though: feed it through a 1k resistor and measure the voltage across it, suddenly it's down in the mV range. grin! Still a lot of power. *However, those are probably 60Hz fields because DVMs rarely have the AC BW to go much above 1Khz. The Mohican came with two 12V power "modules" which plug into the back of the unit. *The AC power module has a transformer with a 12V-12V center-tapped secondary, which is good, but then they run the line voltage out of the module and down into the receiver's volume control's on/off switch. *The module's 12V power and 120V switching connections are done through a 9-pin tube socket with mating connector/cable; remember those? *grin! Remembering isn't difficult. *I broke into electronics through TV/Radio repair during high school. *If I could fix it, I got paid. Anyway, power connections from that era brought "ground" notoriously close to lethal if you plugged the radio into the wall wrong. *Some used AC noise reduction circuit design that could almost guarantee your chassis was floating at 70V if things went wrong. I had an ET striker (Navy parlance for a student electronics tech) who connected a TV antenna input to ground, and the insulation melted off of the wire in a heartbeat. *This was in the day when we called TV power line interlock replacements "suicide adapters." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Its not uncommon to have a high impedance input into a preamp. This is the one-size- fits-all approach. While its not good engineering for the purist it works quite well to make a casual user happy and may be the practical solution for even the professional installation.. Ive had some experience limited working with VLF and it always seemed the thing that made the difference between a good and bad VLF antenna was the quality of the ground network Jimmie |
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Jim Thompson wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:57:00 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Frnak McKenney wrote: Big Snip. Go find Radio-Electronics magazine for 1983, and read the five(?) articles by Ralph Burhans about receiving VLF. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) Is that set of articles available on the web? That'd be an interesting read. Some of them. I remember on of them coming up in a discussion in one of the radio newsgroups, and someone posted a URL. They are practical hobby stuff mostly. A VLF converter, how to match longwire antenna, an active whip antenna, a balanced loopstick. The most useful non-hobby one was how to derive time/frequency references from Loran-C. I'm reluctant to go to the effort because this was back in the era when R-E was paranoid about photocopying, with colored backgrounds for the figures and charts, and it would take a day or two to photoshop the scans so that they are of decent quality. Also, they were, near the end, one of the more Internet savvy publishers and there may still be somebody around to enforce their IP. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Is that set of articles available on the web? That'd be an interesting read. ...Jim Thompson The 5 parts were later combined into a separate reprint, sold by R-E. Sections for theory and circuits, construction, testing. Then building a passive tuner VLF-LF, and a final section on loop antennas. One of the five sections is a Loran-C receiver!! I have an original copy in perfect condition, 30 pages, glossy paper, copyright 1984 by Gernsback Publications, Inc. |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:12:06 GMT, (Mark Zenier)
wrote: In article , Jim Thompson wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:57:00 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , Frnak McKenney wrote: Big Snip. Go find Radio-Electronics magazine for 1983, and read the five(?) articles by Ralph Burhans about receiving VLF. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) Is that set of articles available on the web? That'd be an interesting read. Some of them. I remember on of them coming up in a discussion in one of the radio newsgroups, and someone posted a URL. They are practical hobby stuff mostly. A VLF converter, how to match longwire antenna, an active whip antenna, a balanced loopstick. The most useful non-hobby one was how to derive time/frequency references from Loran-C. I'm reluctant to go to the effort because this was back in the era when R-E was paranoid about photocopying, with colored backgrounds for the figures and charts, and it would take a day or two to photoshop the scans so that they are of decent quality. Also, they were, near the end, one of the more Internet savvy publishers and there may still be somebody around to enforce their IP. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) Send them to me. I can work magic with a scanner ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:12:53 -0800, Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0600, Frnak McKenney wrote: What has puzzled me is that I have run across designs that use (e.g.) a JFET isolation amplifier hooked to a whip or hunk-o-wire with the statement (or implication) that this is done to ",atch the antenna's impedance". Matching provokes heated debates that in times past ran to 600+ postings - few knew what they were arguing (but enjoyed arguing nonetheless) and little was offered. What I think I'm looking for would be a point of reference that would let me, if not exactly evaluate the facets of such an argument, at least be a foundation for forming a testable opinion of my own. A JFET at these frequencies does satisfy the naive requirements of "matching," but that giving you a reception solution doesn't always follow. In my current state of ignorance of the subject, this sentence has the appearance of a Zen koan: something that sounds non-sensical at first glance, but which, after sufficient time and effort studying, will undoubtedly become so blindingly obvious as to appear trivial. Thank you... I think. grin! So I;ve been trying to figure out how to calculate/estimate what it would be, without much success. The Mohican schematic says quite planely Hi-Z input. This is borne out by the antenna connection feeding a tank circuit in the front end where the input stage is fed from a low tap into a 470 Ohm resistor. ... Ah! You have a Mohican? Or just access to the manual? Mine is missing, burioed somewhere in my basement; I was fortunate enough to locate a copy of a GC-1A PDF some kind soul posted online. ... This would be your JFET feed Z, but you could choose any suitable close value. As for the input Z, the JFET input resistance is perfectly capable of mismatching horribly high - although this is not about optimal power transfer at these impedance levels. What is at risk, is the JFET input capacitance which could present a low Z at some frequency. Naturally, you select your JFET against this to optimize. It will be in some ratio to the antenna capacitance (if it is bare, short wire) and that will establish the proportion of signal that gets in by divider action. I imagine that the inductance of a 6' extension cord (not plugged in, just dangling from a planter hook grin!) is down in the uH-or-less range, which would mean that most of the "tuning" inductance would have to be supplied to achieve 60kHz. I have this image of a big (tens of mH) inductor in series with a moderate capacitor and my (electrically) short wire; That is one way, other ways work too and are electrically equivalent. Loops help tune and match by a slightly more elaborate means, but still fairly holds to simple requirements. You don't need wire to build an inductor. At these frequencies you can use a capacitor in a Gyrator design. "Gyrator"? I thought that was the rooftop dance that follows an antenna adjustment in mid-thunderstorm. grin! Google led me to the AAVSO site (www.aavso.org) which led me to the Yahoo VLF_Group. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuggggh! A circuit that can replace capacitors or inductors? My first reaction is "technology at a level indistunguisable from black magic". I don't think I'm in Kansas any more. (On the other hand, I have lots more toys to play with. grin!) all of the surrounding EM sets the electroncs in the wire to dancing, but the series RC blocks those which are wiggling "off-key" (e.g. not dancing at the "proper" rate of 60kHz). And this responds to the filtering capacity (selection AND rejection). This is called "Q" which also serves the yeoman's task of matching as well Um. I don't think I ever got past the simplistic "High Q = Good, Low Q = Evil" stage. Looking back, I can now see cases where an excessively high Q might be... counterproductive, but as always, it depends on what one means by "high" or "low" in a given context. Noted as something else I need to review and not depend on instinct for. ... (observe the input tank design for the conventional bands). Of the five bands (A-E, SW3 positions 5-1), the only one which seems different is "E", with an additional 130pF cap between the antenna and the tank circuit. Is that what you're referring to? --snip-- ... The module's 12V power and 120V switching connections are done through a 9-pin tube socket with mating connector/cable; remember those? grin! Remembering isn't difficult. I broke into electronics through TV/Radio repair during high school. If I could fix it, I got paid. _You_ got _paid_!?? grin! Woody Maiden, WA4GMV, ran a radio/TV shop near my home and didn't object to someone hanging around and watching over his shoulder in the afternoons, but he was a bit concerned about his liability insurance. (Don't know why. I didn't get zapped by a "discharged" CRT until my college years. grin!) Anyway, power connections from that era brought "ground" notoriously close to lethal if you plugged the radio into the wall wrong. Some used AC noise reduction circuit design that could almost guarantee your chassis was floating at 70V if things went wrong. "We don' need no steeken' transformers!" I think I saw a 50C5 in one of my basement boxes a few months back. grin! I had an ET striker (Navy parlance for a student electronics tech) who connected a TV antenna input to ground, and the insulation melted off of the wire in a heartbeat. This was in the day when we called TV power line interlock replacements "suicide adapters." I learned about them from my father, a power company EE who wasn't above swapping the odd tube or building a color TV from a kit with my little sister's help. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC * * * If you're getting bored, please feel free to skip the following; on the other hand, someone with access to a GC-1 manual might enjoy my story... A few months back I pulled my old Mohican out from under a pile of magazines and blew the dust off it. It had been buried so long that I had forgotten why I never built an outdoor antenna for it or showed it to my nephews an nieces; I remembered the moment I powered it on: there was a loud buzz coming from the speaker. This wasn't _hum_ mind you, which even when loud has a sort of even-ness to it; this was an intense, jagged, and metallic "I'm shredding your speaker cone and I don't care!" kind of low-frequency buzz. Worse, it went _away_ when I turned the volume _up_, and reappeared when I turned it (the volume control) down. I was able to isolate it to the audio section by unsoldering the capacitor connecting the volume control wiper to the base of the first audio stage. It went away (blessed relief!), and when I hooked up a RadioShack "utility" amplifier to the volume control wiper the sound was clear and crisp. I considered this A Clue. grin! NTE listed their NTE102A as a replacement for the Mohican's 2N407s... at nearly $7 each (apparently Germanium is on the Endangered Elements List). I replaced all three AF transistors, and the audio level was much better than it has been. Unfortunately, the BUZZZZZ was still present, and also louder. I did notice that turning the ANL ON (diode and resistor connected between the base of X7 and ground) eliminated it. I tried all sorts of things. I jumpered the volume control wiper to ground to make sure the resistance arc hadn't cracked, leaving the wiper floating near its low end. I tried swapping the transistors around. I tried paralleling the electrolytics I could reach, but no luck. As you've seen (or know personally) the Mohican's IF and AF stages are all on one printed circuit board which is bolted down to the chaissis with ?2-40 machine screws around its border. I couldn't see much of the underside of the AF section of this board because my vision -- and fingers -- were blocked by a large AF transformer, so I unbolted it and let it hang free (but not shorting anything; thank &deity for stiff transformer leads). With that pushed out of the way I could see all three AF transistor sockets and even reach them with my test leads. I jumpered a 100uF electrolytic from the chassis to the emitter pin of X7, the AF stage 1 transistor, parallelling it with the existing 150uF emitter bypass capacitor (C55(?)), and a miracle occurred: the buzz disappeared! I can't tell you how good it felt to hear normal-sounding hiss, static, and the odd "sqrgrl" coming out of the Mohican's speaker. No 150uF in the parts bin, so I wired two caps in parallel for a 147uF, shrink-wrapped them, unsoldered the decades-old 150uF and wired the glob-cap in its place. Didn't even burn my fingers in the confined spacegrin!. And then I turned it on. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!! I'm sure you recall the feeling: "What did I do wrong?" Bad solder joint? No... Overheated the component? Not as far as I could tell. Dropped a solder glob across two traces frying by $7 transistors? No... in fact, although the buzz existed over a larger percentage of the volume control's span, the louder end of the audio worked just as it had before. My "proven cure" had made the problem slightly worse. It was late, I was tired, so I decided that, since my previous jumpering had created 250uF total, I needed to hit the problem with a bigger hammer: I jumpered in a _470uF_ this time. And the buzz went away. Again. Okay. Now I was _sure_ I had fixed the problem, so I unsoldered my obviously-too-clever glob-cap and soldered in the 470uF, this time triple-checking the polarity markings. I inspected the traces for possible solder bridges. I inspected the new solder joints under a large magnifier and wiggled the new leads; the joints looked good, so I hooked up the power supply again and turned it on. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!! By now I was tired _and_ cranky, so I jumpered in the original decades-old 150uF cap. No buzz. At that point I had two options: go down in the basement and bring up a sledge hammer, or quit to go eat supper. It was a close call, but supper won out. There's something very weird about watching the news, eating supper, and looking over a schematic and trying to work what I was doing differently when it worked. If the emitter of X7 is wired to R37 and C55, and if the other ends of R37/C55 are wired to ground, how on Earth could a new capacitor jumpered from X7's emitter to the chassis cause different behavior from the _same_ capacitor soldered to a trace going to the same emitter and the PC board's ground trace? All I could think was "this makes no sense, but it does appear to be happening". R37/C55 were clearly grounded. The trace was unbroken. If they weren't grounded, I'd be getting _no_ audio. So how could _soldering_ to ground be any different from _jumpering_ to ground? Even stranger, how could a jumpered connection be _better_ than a soldered connection? * * * You've probably figured it out by now. The answer is that when I was jumpering, it was to the metal chassis; when I was soldering, it was to the PC board ground trace. The "ground" trace on this PC board includes a wide band around its outer edge; the strip makes contact with the chassis when the board is bolted down, creating a really solid round-the-board ground. Somehow, over the past half-century, the contact between the chassis and trace had become slightly less than perfectly conductive, and was "floating" in the Never-Never Land between zero and infinite resistance. Loosen all ten machine screws slightly, spray some contact cleaner in the extremely narrow gap, tighten the screws, and guess what? NO BUZZ! Re-mount the transformer(*). Reconnect C54 to the volume control wiper. Check for accidental shorts, dropped bits of solder and component leads, and make sure the transistors haven't fallen out of their sockets while I had the chassis upside down, Turn it on. STILL NO BUZZ! By then it was 2230, so I went to bed. Next step will be to improve the PC board/chassis contact by running a thin bit of fine steel wool around a bit to get rid of any residual crud; with luck, it'll be another couple of decades before this problem reappears. As for the 470uF capacitor, I think I'll leave it in place. The original is likely good, but 470uF should work as well, and all I need now is to have that portion of the trace lift off from the PC board due to overheating. * * * What's interesting here is the contrast between the schematic and reality. On paper, or on my CRT, those components were clearly connected to ground, and, had I hand-drawn my jumper wires, their wiring lines would have looked identical. It took me a long time to find the cause of the buzz because I was stuck thinking about the lines on the schematic, even though my hands were working on physical components, wires, and traces; how do you know when to stop trusting your compass and check it against the sun and stars? Definitely a "Learning Experience". grin! Anyway, thanks again for your comments. My head is about to explode from all the new ideas, but please don't take that amiss. If I don't expand it occasionally, it starts collapsing into a dull, super-dense mass (think neutron star grin!). (*) GlueStic(tm) is great for assembling hardware in confined quarters. It's much better than spit for making lockwashers and nuts stick to your fingertips so they don't drop off into the chassis interior. Frank -- "If language is not correct, then what is said is not what is meant; if what is said is not what is meant, then what ought to be done remains undone." -- Confucius -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all) |
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