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Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

But won't the diameter, where you marked, be a lot greater? Anything
tied to the tree will get buried in the wood. Even if you leave 'room
for expansion', this may still happen. A tight loop, buried in the wood,
will also choke off the sap, and possibly kill the part of the tree
above.


I think maybe you could drill a hole through the tree with a wood borer.
The Irwin Speedbor toolset comes to mind. They can be fitted with
extensions for added length. I have two, 6" & 12". They use setscrews to
avoid the bulk of a chuck. Love 'em.

http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/...brand=Speedbor

After the hole is through, slide in a piece of All-Thread, flange it with
some sheet aluminum (and maybe a couple of rubber bumpers to be a little
kinder to the bark) and add nuts. Attach your guy wire to the protruding
end of the All-Thread.

Trees will tolerate being drilled. I mounted a garden hose rack on a tree
about 20 years ago; tree and hose rack still doing fine as of this
afternoon.

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I didn't see this mentioned: Have you investigated the possible use of a
concrete "deadman anchor"?


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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

But won't the diameter, where you marked, be a lot greater? Anything
tied to the tree will get buried in the wood. Even if you leave 'room
for expansion', this may still happen. A tight loop, buried in the wood,
will also choke off the sap, and possibly kill the part of the tree
above.


I think maybe you could drill a hole through the tree with a wood borer.
The Irwin Speedbor toolset comes to mind. They can be fitted with
extensions for added length. I have two, 6" & 12". They use setscrews to
avoid the bulk of a chuck. Love 'em.

http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/...brand=Speedbor

After the hole is through, slide in a piece of All-Thread, flange it with
some sheet aluminum (and maybe a couple of rubber bumpers to be a little
kinder to the bark) and add nuts. Attach your guy wire to the protruding
end of the All-Thread.

Trees will tolerate being drilled. I mounted a garden hose rack on a tree
about 20 years ago; tree and hose rack still doing fine as of this
afternoon.

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I didn't see this mentioned: Have you investigated the possible use of a
concrete "deadman anchor"?


What's that? A block of concrete...?

I've measured the growth rings in an almost identical Live Oak we had to
take down after H. Ike. A 1 inch radius growth was about 12-15 years.
Going into the ground just makes another obstacle to mow around. Another
solution may be a steel rail into the ground like a fence post. Will
think about it all some more.

Thanks for the comments!

Marv
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I didn't see this mentioned: Have you investigated the possible use of

a
concrete "deadman anchor"?


What's that? A block of concrete...?


Yes. It's the favored material because it won't rust or corrode, like its
metal counterpart. Metal used sometimes, but only for temporary guys, like
a Field Day antenna tower.

Cut a hole in the ground and prop a metal rod in the hole. Fill around with
concrete, like a fence post. I did a 10' satellite dish mount in 1985.
Sucker never moved a millimeter, even with that big dish hanging off to one
side


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After the hole is through, slide in a piece of All-Thread, flange it with
some sheet aluminum (and maybe a couple of rubber bumpers to be a little
kinder to the bark) and add nuts. Attach your guy wire to the protruding
end of the All-Thread.

Trees will tolerate being drilled. I mounted a garden hose rack on a

tree
about 20 years ago; tree and hose rack still doing fine as of this
afternoon.


Mounting a garden hose rack isn't the same as anchoring a guy wire for a
50' tower.


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Mounting a garden hose rack isn't the same as anchoring a guy wire for a
50' tower.

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True. I only made that observation for someone who wondered about the
effect of puncturing the tree. (I did it without any problem and maybe
someone else can, too.)

I should have made that clearer.




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