On May 19, 12:30*pm, Roy Lewallen wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Ok. *That's closer than most of the off topic rubbish the pollutes
most newsgroups. *I can see you logic. *After reading some of the
postings in this newsgroup, I too might suspect that exposure to RF
and antennas might produce insanity, illogic, political conservatism,
and delusions of omniscience. . .

The effect seems to peak at about 75 meter wavelength, with a minor peak
at about 2 meters. The cautious and same amateur will avoid exposure to
those wavelengths.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Some will probably be skeptical, but I've actually felt the effects
of
RF when operating on the HF bands. I forgot what band it was, but
it was one of the lower ones, "80 or 40", and I was working CW from
my mobile. "parked"
It took a QSO or two before I realized the RF was effecting me.
But I noticed I was starting to feel funny. It's hard to describe the
effects. But I noticed I didn't feel quite right, and it was an
uneasy
queasy type of feeling. Then I started to notice that the feeling
would
subside when I quit transmitting and was listening to the other
station.
When I would go back to transmit, I would slowly start to feel weird
again. I then kind of decided it was the RF hitting me from the rear
of the car, through the window. That particular car was a monte carlo,
and the antenna was on the trunk, with the loading coil fairly low.
So a lot of RF was beaming into the back of my head due to the
location of the antenna. I was running the usual 100w.
So anyway, I don't know about any cancer dilemma, but I know
in some cases, it's possible to feel RF on the HF bands.
Or at least I seemed to..
I didn't like the feeling of it at all. Was not a burning or anything,
it made you feel real nervous and uneasy. Pretty weird.. :/

On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:25:24 -0700 (PDT), MacaualyFlower
wrote:

I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.

Actually, there is probably a higher correlation between cancer and
talking into your hand.

But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer?

You could almost pump the odds to 100% by standing in front of an open
microwave ever day. Now, if I were to move that 1 in the 100 to the
right by 5 places (0.001%) would you feel better, or worse? What if
it were less than your chances for being hit by a car by simply
stepping out of your house? Not exactly cancer there, I will admit,
and perhaps a more compelling outcome (you might live another 20 years
with cancer, but only 15 minutes more impaled as a hood ornament).

Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances?

We have entered the realm of getting out of bed to suffer being struck
by a comet.

I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer.

Can you name 5 people (not related to each other) who do not live near
a power line? With luck, they will die of Heart disease first. For
most of us, that line is no further than 8 feet away.

What is the state of research into this subject?

Settled. Of course, there are those who thrill to the thought of a
slow death like Camille's. Those romantics generally seek out
confirmatory evidence. Research, for their benefit, marches on.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

So far, there is no correlation between non-ionizing radiation and cancer,
which includes cellphones in the 800 - 900 MHz band.

Ed, AJ4PJ



"MacaualyFlower" wrote in message
...
I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.
But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer? Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances? I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer. What is the state of research into this subject?

Thanks

On May 16, 9:25*pm, MacaualyFlower
wrote:
I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.
But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer? *Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances? *I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer. *What is the state of research into this subject?

Thanks

This has nothing to do with radio waves (electromagnetic radiation),
but there is ALWAYS a correlation between any thing. Correlation goes
from -1 to +1, passing through zero. So, yes, there is a correlation,
but it may be negative, it may be zero, or it may be positive, but it
is always something.

Paul, KD7HB

MacaualyFlower wrote in news:eac83182-542b-
:

I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.
But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer? Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances? I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer. What is the state of research into this subject?

Thanks

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On Mon, 18 May 2009 16:38:21 GMT, Panzer240
wrote:

MacaualyFlower wrote in news:eac83182-542b-
:

I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.
But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer? Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances? I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer. What is the state of research into this subject?

Thanks

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Caution!

As a radio amateur I must be lucky if my neighbours don't
claim headaches and nervous irritation the day after
I put up my new antenna.
Better keep oneself in good shape regarding the arguments.

As a radio amateur I must be lucky if my neighbours don't
claim headaches and nervous irritation the day after
I put up my new antenna.
Better keep oneself in good shape regarding the arguments.



For real!!

It's jokes like these that catch the attention of superstitious tree huggers
and vegans who wind up protesting by throwing themselves under the bus in
order to promote new legislation.

After more than 30 years as an avid Ham and professional radio tech, NO ONE
I know of in the business or Hams, have suffered from cancer outside of the
occasional Squamous cell skin problems from too much Solar exposure on
building roofs and towers.

It is likely a bit more complicated than this..

MacaualyFlower wrote:

I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.
But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer? Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances? I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer. What is the state of research into this subject?

Thanks

From what I understand, there is a pretty solid set of data now collected that
extended use of cell phones actually does cause high frequency hearing loss!
That from the effects of the RF on the little hairs and the sensors they drive
which let the human hear sounds. I've seen comments that there is now a pretty
much 100% proof that this does happen. Which does make a bit more practical
sense for I suspect most of us here. In the case of cell phone (or equivalent
RF use, such as Blackberry or wireless headset stuff), I think most folks here
could suspect that the VHF frequencies involved would make a lot more practical
sense for this thought than HF and so on...

Of course more than 20 minutes a day of greater than 85DB over room reference
quiet level of any audio sounds, especially the BOOM, BOOM, BOOM of base in
songs and such, also produces permanent hearing loss for the person involved
over time. And with what also goes on in the automobile use for people seems
to include boom box issues as well as cell phone issues for many folks. So one
would also wonder to what extent either of these two motivators for hearing
loss might conflict with research work into such things.


W5WQN

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-- Sleep well; OS2's still awake!

Mike Luther

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MacaualyFlower wrote:

But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer?

The correlation is 1.

There are radio waves and there is cancer.

Correlation does not imply causality.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN