Dave wrote:

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 6:14 pm, "Dave" wrote:
David, you can find the famous "exclusion principle" by Wolfgang Pauli
in any book on Quantum Mechanics.

ah, bringing the Pauli Exclusion Principle in on the discusion now, that
is a new one i think... can we now not have any of your magical
levitating diamagnetic neutrinos on an antenna in the same quantum states??

Drum roll........

From the department of everything you knew about physics is wrong
department......


The Coriolis effect upon RF radiation has some interesting other
ramifications.
Since Coriolis affects radio waves, it follows that gravity also affects
radio waves. This bring up a new and much simplified explanation for
radio propagation. As the RF spins away from the antenna, the coriolis
effect and gravity eventually pull the signal back to earth far away
from the originating point. I always thought that that silly stuff about
atmospheric layers and ionization was kind of dum anyhow.

Each time the RF hits the earth, a new point of reference is made, and
the signal bounces up with a new twist to it.

We're still working on why UHF + signals don't do this. Maybe their
twist is going the other way, so instead of coming back down, they spin
upwards never to be seen again.


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Sep 4, 9:33*am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Dave wrote:

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
....
On Sep 3, 6:14 pm, "Dave" wrote:
David, you can find the famous "exclusion principle" by Wolfgang Pauli
in any book on Quantum Mechanics.

ah, bringing the Pauli Exclusion Principle in on the discusion now, that
is a new one i think... can we now not have any of your magical
levitating diamagnetic neutrinos on an antenna in the same quantum states??

Drum roll........

*From the department of everything you knew about physics is wrong
department......

The Coriolis effect upon RF radiation has some interesting other
ramifications.
Since Coriolis affects radio waves, it follows that gravity also affects
radio waves. This bring up a new and much simplified explanation for
radio propagation. As the RF spins away from the antenna, the coriolis
effect and gravity eventually pull the signal back to earth far away
from the originating point. I always thought that that silly stuff about
atmospheric layers and ionization was kind of dum anyhow.

Each time the RF hits the earth, a new point of reference is made, and
the signal bounces up with a new twist to it.

We're still working on why UHF + signals don't do this. Maybe their
twist is going the other way, so instead of coming back down, they spin
upwards never to be seen again.

* * * * - 73 de Mike N3LI -

Mike you forget.
I do not subscribe to the wave theory over the particle aproach.
I cannot see any other way to fit that "radiation is from the
acceleration of a charge". And I can not find any explanation of this
in any books. Only mass is able to have spin and at the same time
transport energy, at least to my mind. Therefore accelaration is the
creation of two forces that are not in the same plain ala a shear
action where the combination of gravity and the Coriolis force are the
weakest forces known in the std model. I would remind you that spin is
a result of a force applied where the reaction force is not in the
same plane, otherwise referred to as torque ala force times distance.
It is quite easy to show that current flow consists of a direct vector
and a circular vector
within a boundary and where a direct vector and a circular vector on
the outside of the boundary creats a condition of equilibrium. This is
just physics per our Universe and now many want to deny physics by
intuition alone. I would also remind everybody that engineering,
electrical, mechanical or what ever is a subset of the subject of
physics where concentration of learning is of a niche of the physics .

In article
, Art
Unwin wrote:

It seems that some do not understand what the Corriolis force is so
here goes
When the Big Bang ocurred all energy was in an arbitrary boundary
just like the Sun is. When the forces ( four forces of the Standard
model) could not be contained with in the boundary the boundary broke
which as scientists state was the begining of our Universe. Before the
arbitrary boundary broke it is a state of equilibrium ( This is also
duplicated by the Sun) You can visualize a ball which contains all
energy by placing vectors all around the inside where for every vector
on the inside there is an equal and opposite on the outside. Tho
energy cannot be created or destroyed, kinetic energy can occur at the
expense of potential energy such that the outside vectors are over
come. The boundary breaks and the excess forces are released until
the boundary is able to return to a state of equilibrium. Now when the
break occurs it is at the point of a particular vector such that the
breakage is created by a shearing action, as the forces in question
was not aligned, with spin. Thus when any energy,particles etc they
escaped with a spin action which force forces to balance requires an
equal and opposite reaction and the Corriolis force is that component.
Without the Corriolis component we could not remain on this Earth and
gravity could not exist. Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Art,

Since there is no "" on the subject line I assume you are the initiator
of this post and I have to ask how it's relevant to this newsgroup. You
have also attempted to initiate other off-topic threads. Can't you find a
more appropriate ng or forum for these posts rather than show a disregard
for those coming here to seek info on ham antennas and related issues? At
the very least I would appreciate including the standard "OT:" prefix on
the subject lines of off-topic posts. These kinds of posts illustrate why
moderated newsgroups become necessary. Sincerely, and 73s from N4GGO,

John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail:
Naval Research Laboratory
4555 Overlook Avenue, SW
Washington, DC 20375-5337

On Sep 4, 11:22*am, (J. B. Wood) wrote:
In article
, Art



Unwin wrote:
It seems that some do not understand what the Corriolis force is so
here goes
When the Big Bang ocurred all energy was in *an arbitrary boundary
just like the Sun is. When the forces *( four forces of the Standard
model) could not be contained with in the boundary the boundary broke
which as scientists state was the begining of our Universe. Before the
arbitrary boundary broke it is a state of equilibrium ( This is also
duplicated by the Sun) You can visualize a ball which contains all
energy by placing vectors all around the inside where for every vector
on the inside there is an equal and opposite on the outside. Tho
energy cannot be created or destroyed, kinetic energy can occur at the
expense of potential energy such that the outside vectors are over
come. *The boundary breaks and the excess forces are released until
the boundary is able to return to a state of equilibrium. Now when the
break occurs it is *at the point of a particular vector such that the
breakage is created by a shearing action, as the forces in question
was not aligned, with spin. Thus when any energy,particles etc *they
escaped with a spin action which force forces to balance requires an
equal and opposite reaction and the Corriolis force is that component.
Without the Corriolis component we could not remain on this Earth and
gravity could not exist. Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Art,

Since there is no "" on the subject line I assume you are the initiator
of this post and I have to ask how it's relevant to this newsgroup. *You
have also attempted to initiate other off-topic threads. *Can't you find a
more appropriate ng or forum for these posts rather than show a disregard
for those coming here to seek info on ham antennas and related issues? *At
the very least I would appreciate including the standard "OT:" prefix on
the subject lines of off-topic posts. *These kinds of posts illustrate why
moderated newsgroups become necessary. *Sincerely, and 73s from N4GGO,

John Wood (Code 5550) * * * *e-mail: * * * * * * * * * *
Naval Research Laboratory
4555 Overlook Avenue, SW
Washington, DC 20375-5337

Oh shut up. there is nothing sincere in your posts

Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
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Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.


Of course torque is a force. Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

On Sep 4, 7:21*pm, Gordon wrote:
Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
:

Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Of course torque is a force. *Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. *IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

Excellent Gordon and the particles are connected to the weather
When particles arrive from outer space they reside on diamagnetic
substances and water is one. So when there is an updraft clinging to
the water droplets are these particles which gather a charge with
elevation until the moisture cools and there is no room for them to
stay. These particles are now electrically static charged where when
broken loose move to ground or the other side of the capacitor. Thus
we all see a lightning strike which is an electical static field. This
same charge circulates the earth one way above the equator and and ony
way below the equator such that the shearing action occurs which is
the circular motions that we see everywhere in life. These same
charges cling to space suits in outer space because the human body is
mainly water. NASA has had some luck by discharging the suits to a
ground as one would do with a capacitor so the abrasive particles do
not enter a ship. Without charge the particles are basically inert
like a unbound electron'
For the life of me I do not understand this stance that a shearing
action does not create spin or torque. A real crazy group of experts.
As far as pressure deviations in weather this is exacty the force we
see in eddy currents of electricity as well as mechanical things such
as tornadoes. All four forces involved in the Big Bang are the only
forces involved in the Universe because of the Newtonian laws so use
of the boundary laws are indispensible
with respect to all that happens, chemical, electrical, mechanical or
what every where energy units such as volts etc are inter convertible
metrics. And the electrostatic field is a isolated phenomina that has
zero connections to laws of this Universe
Thanks for your involvement on this issue.
Regards
Art

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
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On Sep 4, 7:21 pm, Gordon wrote:
And the electrostatic field is a isolated phenomina that has
zero connections to laws of this Universe

Another golden quote! thanks art, i needed a good laugh this morning!

On Sep 5, 7:47*am, "Dave" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message

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On Sep 4, 7:21 pm, Gordon wrote:

And the electrostatic field is a isolated phenomina that has
zero connections to laws of this Universe

Another golden quote! *thanks art, i needed a good laugh this morning!

See David,
I do take notice and remember your statements of the past
Check the archives for accuracy.
I too had a good laugh when you came up with that
as your position with respect to physics. What surprised me was that
you were seen as a role model and every one else followed in step. To
this day the group accepts your
position on physics that you cannot add a time varying field to
Gauss's law of Statics.
Two different things, you said, where one has no association with the
other so the premise that Gaussian law then becomes the same as
Maxwells laws is a faulty application and should not be done. Oh my!
What a short memory you have. And remember when you dissed that Doctor
from MIT who agreed with my premise and then everybody assasinated
him as a fool. As for me I am not going anywhere I holding to my
premise
Have a great holiday.

Art Unwin wrote in news:58ff82c9-a4f0-461c-92da-
:

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. ÿIE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

Excellent Gordon and the particles are connected to the weather
When particles arrive from outer space they reside on diamagnetic
substances and water is one.

Nope.
The Corilis Effect that I am familier with has nothing to do
with particles from outer space. It's just a mechanical
force related to the spin of the earth.

Gordon wrote:
Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
:

Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.


Of course torque is a force. Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

And that is what the Coriolis force is. It's a mechanical effect, and
not an electrical one.

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -