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Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote
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Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical
force, consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas
like little turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we
thought we know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

You have made a small mistake.

Yup, getting involved in a religious argument, Sorry about that!

I'll be Art's religion can explain Chemtrails too! 8^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI

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"christofire" wrote
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"Szczepan Bia³ek" wrote in message
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A dipole is always the two monopoles and never a point source. Only
monopole is a point source.
S*

Nonsense. Only a point can be a point source.

Yes. Monopole made of wire is not a point source. For this reason inventors
mounted something lake a ball on the end.

The principle of the infinitesimal electric doublet is the hypothetical
result of making the lengths of the elements of a balanced dipole
vanishingly small. This is useful to quantify the characteristics of the
limiting case but, because of its inherent axial symmetry, it still has
the form of a dipole and the same kind of radiation pattern with linear
polarisation and no radiation in the directions aligned with the ends of
the dipole (for the reason I gave earlier in this thread).

Each todays dipole consist of the two monopoles in opposite phase.
There are the two seperate sources. They produce the two spherical waves.
You say they are polarised - I that they are coupled.

Monopole antennas are developed from dipoles by substituting one of the
elements, often using a 'reflection' of the remaining element in a ground
plane. Their characteristics are different from those of the parent
dipole because of this substitution but they still have the same kind of
axially-symmetric radiation pattern, with linear polarisation and no
radiation in the direction of the end of the monopole.

A point source is a hypothetical 'device' that radiates equally in all
directions. Obviously this could not be realised using a monopole because
that would provide the wrong radiation pattern.

A polarisation can be assigned to a point source, for the sake of
comparison with real antennas (which is how the point source is used),
just as a point source can be considered as transmitting or receiving a
signal - but that doesn't mean a physical antenna can be made that has the
same characteristics, that can be made to transmit or receive.

Equipment is polarized - not waves. Point sorce cannot be polarised. The two
monopoles are always polarized. Long wire without big tip is
pseudo-polarized.
S*

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Art Unwin wrote:
Where exactly does a photon come from and what does it consist of?
... its existence has not been verified as yet by it's capture!

Photons are quantized elementary particles in the standard
model. Every time you see something, like this posting of mine,
you are capturing the photons incident upon your retina.

Double slit experiments with photons have been performed
with a single photon which apparently can go through both
slits at the same time and interfere with itself on the
other side. Those photon detectors indeed can capture
individual photons.

Photons are quite often generated and detected within
particle accelerators.
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

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On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:30:13 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

Art is trying to convince us that ... in fact all physics is completely wrong.

How many years and thousands of postings did it take to come to that
observation?

What comes around goes around (the Corriolis force defined). ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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"christofire" wrote
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"Szczepan Bia³ek" wrote in message
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"Mike Coslo" wrote
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Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

You have made a small mistake. Antennas are feed with the oscillating
voltage. So the little truds fly off and come back. It is normal
longitudinal wave.
The key problem is what radiate: the end of an antenna or something else.
What do you think?
S*


No, you've made a mistake ... again. EM waves are transverse waves in air
(i.e. around a normal antenna) not longitudinal waves (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave).

EM waves by Maxwell are transverse waves. They are the paper waves. The real
electric waves are mainly longitudinal.

Sound waves are longitudinal because air pressure is a scalar, whereas
electric and magnetic fields are vectors - they have polarisation.

The math has not to do here.
Here is the full acoustic analogy. The two loudspeakers work like the two
monopoles.

Also, antennas that radiate are fed with alternating current. The
terminal voltage is almost immaterial in comparison with the current -
that's what causes the radiation.

If you want to discover what radiates I suggest you read one of the normal
text books on the subject, like Kraus 'Antennas', and stop making up your
own versions!

To discower what radiates will be better to do experiments with tipping of
monopole antenas.

S*

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Mike Coslo wrote:
So now we have left science, and as far as I can tell, have entered
religion.

Everything I said is supported by the laws of physics
as we presently understand them.

I was totally destructed and reconstructed 100,000,000 times this morning.
Prove I wasn't.

It is usually impossible to prove a negative. You might
have only been destructed and reconstructed 99,999,999
times this morning. That's why the onus of proof is upon
the one who makes the positive assertion.

What would you say if the police knock on your door and
demand that you prove that you never ran a red light?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

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On Sep 5, 10:52*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 5, 9:30*am, Mike Coslo wrote:





Gordon wrote:
Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
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Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Of course torque is a force. *Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. *IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

And that is what the Coriolis force is. It's a mechanical effect, and
not an electrical one.

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

* * * * - 73 de Mike N3LI -

That is correct and soon the teachings will reflect what I proposed- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Art should surely stick to the one liners. ROTFLAMO.

Jimmie

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"Dave Platt" wrote
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In article ,
Jeff Liebermann wrote:

I forgot to connect my comments to the original question. Sorry(tm).
You're correct. There's no way to get a good isotropic radiator
pattern with a simple vertical radiator. However, you can still get
fairly close if you make the antenna sufficiently small relative to
the operating wavelength. As the physical antenna size approaches a
point radiator, the pattern starts to look rather spherical.

The difference in pattern between a half-wavelength dipole,
and an infinitesimally-short dipole (i.e. one whose length
approaches a point source) is actually quite small.

A dipole is always the two monopoles and never a point source. Only
monopole is a point source.
S*

there is no such thing as a monopole antenna. unless you have discovered
the magnetic monopole somewhere?

Chris wrote: "Monopole antennas are developed from dipoles by substituting
one of the
elements, often using a 'reflection' of the remaining element in a ground
plane. Their characteristics are different from those of the parent
dipole
because of this substitution but they still have the same kind of
axially-symmetric radiation pattern, with linear polarisation and no
radiation in the direction of the end of the monopole."

Is he right?

different context... "Monopole" antennas as he is describing are a specific
type of antennas that are otherwise described as 'verticals', 'ground
plane', or several other terms.. all of which actually are dipoles in the
context that they have 2 poles, not that they look like a 'half wave dipole'
which is a special case of a dipole. In his context it refers to a vertical
with some real size greater than zero. in your context the 'monopole is a
point source' means you think that a point source is a monopole which is
impossible since a monopole(meaning single pole) can't radiate. His
description is a bit simplified, but otherwise reasonable for a "Monopole"
antenna, but you must always remember there are 2 poles even in a "Monopole"
antenna... just one of them is the ground screen or radials.

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On Sep 5, 9:30*am, Mike Coslo wrote:
Gordon wrote:
Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
:

Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Of course torque is a force. *Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. *IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

And that is what the Coriolis force is. It's a mechanical effect, and
not an electrical one.

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

* * * * - 73 de Mike N3LI -

Where on earth did you get that thought from.? Or is your intent to
mess up the minds of everybody? This line "Art is trying to convince
us that EM energy is also a mechanical force consisting of particles"
Where did you see that comment? As for things flying of the ends of
an antenna where did that idea come from?
Everything in this world can be converted to electrical units! What
you want to label them
at any particular time is fine by me. But untruths are something else.
Is this what your presence in this discussion you intend to propagate?

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"Art Unwin" wrote in message
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On Sep 5, 9:44 am, Mike Coslo wrote:
The confirming experiment can be made by using a two small antennas in
an isolated environment. One is transmitting, and one receiving. If RF
energy is a particle - therefore mechanical force, the receiving antenna
must accumulate mass, and the transmitting antenna must lose it.

That is the presently accepted formula in science where atoms are
removed from the matrics of the radiator.
For me, all diamagnetic materials are completely covered with
particles that entered the solar stream from the Sun. As soon as they
are projected away from a radiator another takes its place, thus no
changes in mass.

what about my ferromagnetic radiators??? since they don't have your magical
levitating diamagnetic neutrinos they must constantly be losing mass and
will eventually fall apart!