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This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give
you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art |
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"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Since you're lecturing on physics, as I said before, you should post this to sci.physics and sci.physics.research and see what they think. Chris |
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christofire wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Since you're lecturing on physics, as I said before, you should post this to sci.physics and sci.physics.research and see what they think. Chris What I'd like to know is how the vertical and horizontal strands know which role they are supposed to play? And if I rotate the mesh by 90 degrees but still keep the feed the same, why don't those roles change? What if the whole thing is parallel to the ground? It should stop working completely. Hell, it could even explode for all we know. The poor strands wouldn't know what to do and the energy would build up until there was too much and - BOOOOOM!!! And what happens if this antenna is in space? Does it stop working? Do the bits remember what orientation they used to be in when they were on earth? Or is this all just some fantasy dreamed up by someone who needs serious medication? Most likely the latter. tom K0TAR |
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On Oct 1, 7:55*pm, "christofire" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a *full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of *dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Since you're lecturing on physics, as I said before, you should post this to sci.physics and sci.physics.research and see what they think. Chris Why? Hams will deny it without trying. Physics! all will deny it as it comes from an engineer. Somewhere in between some one will try it. Then curiousity will take over and the question will be asked " Why is this" And then the naysayers will answer" you didn't measure it correctly or the MFJ 259B was not intended for that" Then a person with a small garden will get a bigger piece to try it out on Top Band. "You have to prove it" say the naysayers together with " you are an engineer so you can know nothing of physics" "Well I just followed Einstein" I said " He was convinced that the secret of the weak force lies with radiation" So you are comparing yourself with Einstein?" said the naysayers. So I said that "Gauss showed the way with the static field to which I made dynamic and added radiators so that it became the same as Maxwells law since I maintained equilibrium!" ":You can't do that" said the naysayers " that is not in any of the physics books" ":I know " I said " be patient ": What you seek you will find" . Now who is the next person to argue with Einstein and his prediction? Newton stated that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The big bang started from inside a arbitrary boundary. Equilibrium was broken when the smallest of particles from the Sun ventured towards the boundary. When this happened that little of little particle became an opposing force which was off centre from the opposite force such that it also applied a torque vector (spin). That chain of force vectors end with the combination of gravity with the rotation vector of Earth, where the chain of events passed along the phenomina of radiation as predicted by Einstein. No. I am certainly not going to argue with Einstein. PS try it for yourself with the many computer programs so you can argue that the programs are wrong where only the vendor is left to argue against. Now you have a bigger question, How does a particle propagate while neutralizing gravity?. Ponder on that for a while. Now for the biggy Will Cern change there minds when they read this? No we are going to find the Higgs field that nobody has found even if we have to blow up the tunnel. We want five forces to make up the Standard Model so we can go down in history! Cheers and beers Art Cheers Art |
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Art Unwin wrote:
Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Heeees baaaack. For his next act, he is developing a spellchecker. |
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:19:38 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin
wrote: This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. .................... What a nonsense. Everything resonates somewhere, just give it n * lamda/4 dimensions. A piece of wood would do it, when it rains. w. |
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Art Unwin wrote:
This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. |
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:33:46 -0600, buzz wrote:
Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. That would seem to be the intent of the acid bath and hammering, but who knows, maybe it was a diamagnetic hammer (not Maxwell's silver hammer certainly) pounding in the particles that would someday under equilibrium fly off like Tinkerbell's fairy dust. Snake oil spin. A new corriolis effect? Perhaps Obama can slip over to Stockholm and get Art a seat at the next Nobel awards. Something tells me that the Sewer rats of Rio (a nod to Reggie) will snag the prize from under his nose. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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On Oct 2, 6:33*pm, buzz wrote:
Art Unwin wrote: This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a *full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of *dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. *To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? |
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On Oct 2, 7:21*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:33*pm, buzz wrote: Art Unwin wrote: This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a *full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of *dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. *To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? Never mind.! You don't own a MFJ but you anticipated the answer anyway when applying a DC current. Excellent, you are a antenna guru. |
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Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:33 pm, buzz wrote: Art Unwin wrote: SNIPED spelling curtsy Art Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? What did the instrument say exactly? Or is that covered by your patent? What leads you to believe that it indicated rezonunz? And if it did, why would you think that helps confirm your nonsensical view of the world? tom K0TAR |
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Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:33 pm, buzz wrote: Art Unwin wrote: Znippd shtuff Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? And I DO own a 259B, so let's go toe to toe on the measurements bright boy. tom K0TAR |
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On Oct 2, 7:46*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:21*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Oct 2, 6:33*pm, buzz wrote: Art Unwin wrote: This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a *full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of *dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. *To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? Never mind.! You don't own a MFJ but you anticipated the answer anyway when applying a DC current. Excellent, you are a antenna guru. Just made another similar size sample made of brass with a diamond perforation and I got it down to 45 mhz where reactance was zero and the resistance was 20 plus. I suppose I could get it to go below 45 Mhz with more manipulation but it is getting late. Seems like only a few own a MFJ 259B which makes for silly questions and comments. Oh well. |
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Art Unwin wrote:
Just made another similar size sample made of brass with a diamond perforation and I got it down to 45 mhz where reactance was zero and the resistance was 20 plus. I suppose I could get it to go below 45 Mhz with more manipulation but it is getting late. Seems like only a few own a MFJ 259B which makes for silly questions and comments. Oh well. And what were you driving it against? Was it connected to just the center pin on the PL259? If so, what was connected to the ground side of the instrument? tom K0TAR |
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On Oct 2, 9:02*pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote: On Oct 2, 6:33 pm, buzz wrote: Art Unwin wrote: SNIPED *spelling curtsy Art Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? What did the instrument say exactly? *Or is that covered by your patent? What leads you to believe that it indicated rezonunz? And if it did, why would you think that helps confirm your nonsensical view of the world? tom K0TAR You really make yourself look so stupid with questions like that. Or maybe I should say "so dumb?" You "may" have made it out of high school "may", but for evidence of higher education you could get a diploma from a Honduras University for just pennies. Probably sent off a postcard for one with a Honduras postage stamp on it just to impress them. |
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Art Unwin wrote:
Just made another similar size sample made of brass with a diamond perforation and I got it down to 45 mhz where reactance was zero and the resistance was 20 plus. I suppose I could get it to go below 45 Mhz with more manipulation but it is getting late. Seems like only a few own a MFJ 259B which makes for silly questions and comments. Oh well. Just twigged on the key phrase "I got it down". What is that supposed to mean? "I bent it?" or "I moved it next to this nice old cast iron radiator"? What? So he adjusted it in an undefined manner. And what size "diamond perforation"? What angle? What percentage perforation? What thickness is this sheet? (Almost a bad pun) tom K0TAR |
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On Oct 2, 9:22*pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote: Just made another similar size sample made of brass with a diamond perforation and I got it down to 45 mhz where reactance was zero and the resistance was 20 plus. I suppose I could get it to go below 45 Mhz with more manipulation but it is getting late. Seems like only a few own a MFJ 259B which makes for silly questions and comments. Oh well. And what were you driving it against? Was it connected to just the center pin on the PL259? If so, what was connected to the ground side of the instrument? tom K0TAR You may have bought one but you have never used it as shown by your silly questions. You have lied so much in the past. I presume you live alone or maybe you are homelessso cut a square from the mesh on your window and introduce it to what ever you bought with a piece of coax with a connector at one end and the shielding and center wire separated at the other end. Yes, just for fun connect only to the centre pin and stand back as it surely would explode. My version of the MFJ doesn't say anything so I have to read the meter. Since your one "says" it all ask what it is measuring! Do you think you can do that for yourself? I imagine many hams have already tried it and are laughing their heads off over you and your questions. |
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Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 2, 9:02 pm, tom wrote: snip What leads you to believe that it indicated rezonunz? And if it did, why would you think that helps confirm your nonsensical view of the world? tom K0TAR You really make yourself look so stupid with questions like that. Or maybe I should say "so dumb?" You "may" have made it out of high school "may", but for evidence of higher education you could get a diploma from a Honduras University for just pennies. Probably sent off a postcard for one with a Honduras postage stamp on it just to impress them. When I've made claims, I've generally associated numbers with them. If someone should challenge me on one, I would respond to them with where the number came from. We could then have a discussion about it, and if it ended up on this group, others would get to make cogent and lively comments. And hopefully some would learn from some who knew. And those who presented verifiable evidence would be acknowledged by those that didn't have it. And some would disagree on nothing but fact, and some would disagree just for the hell of it. And so on. But there is a consensus on what works and why. The disagreements are pretty much on just the fine points and about 80% because the OFs in question like to do it and have the time. At least it appears that way. I'm not bothered by it, and I think most of the regulars aren't either. And some of it is quite amusing. The next button isn't hard to click. Which leads to me saying, Art, ssppppssssppppspsspspspspsp! tom K0TAR |
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On Oct 2, 9:29*pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote: Just made another similar size sample made of brass with a diamond perforation and I got it down to 45 mhz where reactance was zero and the resistance was 20 plus. I suppose I could get it to go below 45 Mhz with more manipulation but it is getting late. Seems like only a few own a MFJ 259B which makes for silly questions and comments. Oh well. Just twigged on the key phrase "I got it down". What is that supposed to mean? *"I bent it?" or "I moved it next to this nice old cast iron radiator"? *What? So he adjusted it in an undefined manner. And what size "diamond perforation"? *What angle? *What percentage perforation? *What thickness is this sheet? *(Almost a bad pun) tom K0TAR Sorry Tom, I haven't got anymore time to waste on you. Find somebody to show you how to use the MFJ and explain what resonance means and you should be off and running, .......running away that is. So Tommy, nighty ,night PLONK! |
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Art Unwin wrote:
You may have bought one but you have never used it as shown by your silly questions. snip cut a square from the mesh on your window and introduce it to what ever you bought with a piece of coax with a connector at one end and the shielding and center wire separated at the other end. Yes, just for fun connect only to the centre pin and stand back as it surely would explode. Thanks. That's the best description I've ever heard from you. Now the coax type, and how long. and it's orientation and distance from the ground or large metallic things, and your position and weight and height and other things like that in the local environment and then we might _begin_ to be able to duplicate your place of testing. tom K0TAR |
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"Art Unwin" wrote ... Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 Could you tell us the details of the mesh (the wire diameter and the distance between them). S* MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Art |
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:05:13 -0500, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote: On Oct 2, 6:33 pm, buzz wrote: Art Unwin wrote: Znippd shtuff Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? And I DO own a 259B, so let's go toe to toe on the measurements bright boy. Then you should be able to duplicate Art's results without knowing the parameters of Art's test. Sez who? Well Art of course! HI I own a MFJ-259B and find it to be an useful tool. The device's OOB accuracy was found to be lacking but after re-calibration all was FB. Perhaps instrumentation errors are helping to 'confirm' Art's contradictory theories and hazy explanations. |
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On Oct 1, 7:55*pm, "christofire" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. I used a 8" x5" piece of mesh and it was resonant from about 110 to 140 MHZ so it is quite broad banded and easy to find the resonance The vertical strands carry the applied current and the capacitance square holes in between is a electrostatic field around which the displacement current flows. What you have, basically, is a *full wave dipole folded very closely upon itself to form a closed circuit with a low impedance. This is basically a transmission line if the ends are open. The cross jumpers take the place of *dielectric spacers that are present on a open transmission line so that they may enclose an electrostatic field created by the displacement current. The vertical strands are really in series ,so you have effectively placed a long length of wire into a small volume which you may shape into any form. To play with this further, place it above a conductive sheet and note the changes. Then try pinning it together into a cylinder and note the changes. Have fun playing with it. Looking at the physics side of things. When a particle is generated by the Sun it goes to the border and even tho it is extremely small it breaks the border by applying a straight force vector together with a circular vector. This same combination repeats itself when current is applied to a radiator which also produces a circular current. These same vectors are later repeated with gravity in combination with rotation all of which are per laws of Newton. The particles that escape from the sun sheath conductive materials on Earth. This is explained by making the Gaussian field for statics a dynamic one so that it becomes the same as Maxwells laws. The combination of fields from the applied current when intersecting the electrostatic field dislodges particles by elevation with spin while accellerating to the maximum speed which is that of light so the particle can take on a straight line trajectory with spin where the Gravity vector is cancelled. Elermentry explanation of the weak force in the Standard model (Patents applied for) Art Since you're lecturing on physics, as I said before, you should post this to sci.physics and sci.physics.research and see what they think. Chris Chris I took your advice and sent an E mail to sci.physics research explaining what I have found and asking for comment. I am not a member of that group so it may well not be picked up. Tomorrow I will add to my home page.... Unwin Antennas...... copies of both patent requests where the last one contains graphs of results of mesh style radiators with other things. As time passes I will add my other antenna patent requests from the past just for the hell of it. Initial patent request costs were $515 each which is a lot less than the UK and I believe it is about $200 for maintenance fees on each of them due in about two years from now. I recommend that those with EZNEC model the helical antenna shown as I am sure they will find it of interest. Regards Art |
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:05:13 -0500, tom wrote: Art Unwin wrote: On Oct 2, 6:33 pm, buzz wrote: Art Unwin wrote: Znippd shtuff Art Since all the strands are connected together, the entire things just looks like one flat piece of metal. Snake oil spin. And what is the MFJ259B measuring when it denotes a resonant frequency? And I DO own a 259B, so let's go toe to toe on the measurements bright boy. Then you should be able to duplicate Art's results without knowing the parameters of Art's test. Sez who? Well Art of course! HI I own a MFJ-259B and find it to be an useful tool. The device's OOB accuracy was found to be lacking but after re-calibration all was FB. Perhaps instrumentation errors are helping to 'confirm' Art's contradictory theories and hazy explanations. Or it could be he's just a loony. Ok, he _is_ just a loony. 73 tom K0TAR |
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On Oct 2, 9:29 pm, tom wrote: Art Unwin wrote: Just made another similar size sample made of brass with a diamond perforation and I got it down to 45 mhz where reactance was zero and the resistance was 20 plus. I suppose I could get it to go below 45 Mhz with more manipulation but it is getting late. Seems like only a few own a MFJ 259B which makes for silly questions and comments. Oh well. Just twigged on the key phrase "I got it down". What is that supposed to mean? "I bent it?" or "I moved it next to this nice old cast iron radiator"? What? So he adjusted it in an undefined manner. And what size "diamond perforation"? What angle? What percentage perforation? What thickness is this sheet? (Almost a bad pun) tom K0TAR Sorry Tom, I haven't got anymore time to waste on you. Find somebody to show you how to use the MFJ and explain what resonance means and you should be off and running, .......running away that is. So Tommy, nighty ,night PLONK! He will never answer a question with A REAL answer. Because he doesn't have one. Only bafflegab. Interesting since he's the one that's going to revolutionize antenna design. We're all wrong, stuck in the mud morons, and he knows all. Except his antennas don't work, and ours do. Funny that. tom K0TAR |
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"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... Chris I took your advice and sent an E mail to sci.physics research explaining what I have found and asking for comment. I am not a member of that group so it may well not be picked up. -snip- Regards Art * Unfortunately I can't see your message when I look at sci.physics.research, but I believe it's a moderated group so it may not have made its way over the moderator's desk yet, as it were. Can you see your message there? ... and, if so, what title did you give it? Chris |
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On Oct 4, 5:52*am, "christofire" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... Chris I took your advice and sent an E mail to sci.physics research explaining what I have found and asking for comment. I am not a member of that group so it may well not be picked up. -snip- Regards Art * Unfortunately I can't see your message when I look at sci.physics.research, but I believe it's a moderated group so it may not have made its way over the moderator's desk yet, as it were. *Can you see your message there? ... and, if so, what title did you give it? Chris re Weak force Yes, it goes directly to the moderator so I imagine that it will take time. The question being that 2 vectors can be traced from the big bang to the boundary of earth. If it is not the weak force then where does it fit in with GUT? This also was predicted by Einstein with respect to radiation so if this is not it we have more searching to do. We will have to wait and see what the technical level is and it may well be as low as this group! Time will tell. |
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"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Oct 4, 5:52 am, "christofire" wrote: "Art Unwin" wrote in message ... Chris I took your advice and sent an E mail to sci.physics research explaining what I have found and asking for comment. I am not a member of that group so it may well not be picked up. -snip- Regards Art * Unfortunately I can't see your message when I look at sci.physics.research, but I believe it's a moderated group so it may not have made its way over the moderator's desk yet, as it were. Can you see your message there? ... and, if so, what title did you give it? Chris re Weak force Yes, it goes directly to the moderator so I imagine that it will take time. The question being that 2 vectors can be traced from the big bang to the boundary of earth. If it is not the weak force then where does it fit in with GUT? This also was predicted by Einstein with respect to radiation so if this is not it we have more searching to do. We will have to wait and see what the technical level is and it may well be as low as this group! Time will tell. * I don't think the 'technical level' of this group is low - some of the posts are very well informed - but a group devoted to physics research must be a more appropriate forum for airing thoughts about fundamental physics and the Universe, thoughts that go way beyond amateur radio. I look forward to seeing your posting there and, if you've read much of what appears there, I think you'll find the 'technical level' there is very high. Chris |
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On Oct 4, 10:01*am, "christofire" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message ... On Oct 4, 5:52 am, "christofire" wrote: "Art Unwin" wrote in message .... Chris I took your advice and sent an E mail to sci.physics research explaining what I have found and asking for comment. I am not a member of that group so it may well not be picked up. -snip- Regards Art * Unfortunately I can't see your message when I look at sci.physics.research, but I believe it's a moderated group so it may not have made its way over the moderator's desk yet, as it were. Can you see your message there? ... and, if so, what title did you give it? Chris re Weak force Yes, it goes directly to the moderator so I imagine that it will take time. The question being that 2 vectors can be traced from the big bang to the boundary of earth. If it is not the weak force then where does it fit in with GUT? This also was predicted by Einstein with respect to radiation so if this is not it we have more searching to do. We will have to wait and see what the technical level is and it may well be as low as this group! Time will tell. * I don't *think the 'technical level' of this group is low - some of the posts are very well informed - but a group devoted to physics research must be a more appropriate forum for airing thoughts about fundamental physics and the Universe, thoughts that go way beyond amateur radio. *I look forward to seeing your posting there and, if you've read much of what appears there, I think you'll find the 'technical level' there is very high. Chris It is a question of interpretation. There are many computer programs that are used by hams and they do quite well. But they generally are used for planar forms and not what Maxwell proposed in his formulae, where accountability of all forces involved is a must. So when these programs show that a radiator is tipped against the ground to arrive at "100% efficiency" then it becomes worthy of hams to review why this is the case. Actually it shows two vectors at work outside the earths boundary where hams have only taken into consideration of one, and that is gravity. So hams are now presented with an opportunity to re asses their position on antennas such that maybe returning to full compliance to Maxwells formula will provide a path of improvement with respect to radiation, where one can look at point radiation as the path towards smaller radiators. I have shown that reviewing radiation in the light of Maxwells equations, when compared to those of an extended Gaussian law as being equal, states that " A conductive radiator can be of any shape, size or elevation as long as it is in equilibrium" This obviously presents opportunities for hams to approach with advantage antennas over and above those used today. The sad thing is that the hobby has changed so much that the theme is not to explore but to deny change, because we have lost the base of curiousity and experimentation to the use of radio as a means of talking behind the shade of anonimity where one can assume a station in life that they really have not earned. |
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On Oct 4, 11:40*am, Art Unwin wrote
about "computer programs," e.g., NEC So when these programs show that a radiator is tipped against the ground to arrive at "100% efficiency"... Your conclusion is faulty. See http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...19e5b91e29e0be and... A conductive radiator can be of any shape, size or elevation as long as it is in equilibrium Any conductor exposed to space will produce far-field EM radiation from nearly 100% of the r-f current that can be made to flow along it, in directions where fields from various parts of the conductor do not cancel each other. Those that will radiate most of the rated power of a transmitter will have a high radiation resistance compared to the sum of the other ohmic losses in the antenna system, whatever matching network is required at the feedpoint to match the feedpoint Z to the transmission line connected there, and a transmitter designed to supply its rated power into that net load impedance. Wire conductors and configurations that are small in terms of wavelength necessarily have low radiation resistance. So systems using them do not radiate a very high percentage of the available power of the transmitter. RF |
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On Oct 1, 8:19*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
This week end is going to be wet and cold, so I thought I would give you a radiator to play with if you are willing to make something for yourself. Get yourself a piece of aluminum mesh used for window insect stopping entering your house. Soak this piece of mesh in some watered down muriatic acid (approx $5 a bottle at a hardware store This is to remove the insulating coating so it becomes conductive. Now this mesh is woven so it helps to compress the strands together by tapping with a hammer. Connect a MFJ259B to the base corners and scan to see where the resonant frequency is. Who is the lunatic? Art or the one who argues with him? |
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