"JIMMIE" wrote
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

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Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

On Dec 8, 1:34*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 5:20*pm, Dave wrote:

i don't care if this guy is a troll or an idiot... keep him going, its
great stuff.

still rotflmao

If one would just read in succession the posts above one might get the
impression that I sat at a desk while in deep thought until I
connected the dots which provided a exp-lanation of radiation where
the books stated that radiation in itself was not fully understood.
That is so far from the truth. Going to the physics books one can see
examples where the maxwell equations was proven in many ways by the
use of contributingequations. One proof that you don't see is the
gaussian static field as a proof possibly because we had a conflict in
metrics *ie cgs and MKS
which possibly authors did not want to use for fear of muddying the
water. From my point of view I saw it as a transition from a static
field to a dynamic field which in itself was swhat Maxwell equations
were showing. Sharing this observation on this group and other places
drew nothing but cat calls because of the sillines of connecting
statics with electricity as presently known. Pursuit via computer
programs and other thoughts regarding equilibrium allowed me to
formulate an array
where equilibrrium was in existance and all elements were resonant in
the form of a full wave. Thus my work on unwinantennas .com began
because I had destroyed some old wives tales. Then the second patent
came where again I focussed on FW antennas to obsolete the idea of
ground planes which I did by folding the FW dipole into an end fed
form but with the question remaining regarding my thoughts on the
standard model. Needless to say it showed that a verticle must be
tipped with respect to ground via the very nature of these two fectors
representing gravity and rotation. Going back to the end fed folded
full wave it can be seen that one could section the FW in calculus
form
in the form of many square circuits. In fact it could be expanded more
into mesh form where a transmitted circuit could be one of many in
parallel and where I was able to measure a resonant point on a small
piece of mesh. Thus the second patent started to grow when I changed a
std helix to where the lumped load was cancelled and introducing the
mesh radiator to a ground mounted form for top band
instead of the requirement for height. Thus multi frequency small
antennas were formed the holy grail of radio.
So that is a rough explanation as to how I got to understand radiation
in a different way from the books *where as an engineer I started with
Gauss and Maxwell while placing all written theories to the side lines
and working from first principles as I now saw it. Of course looking
at my home page I made many samples and experiments along the way
where I now have a large Faraday cage radiator on the ground and
making a small loop mesh radiator to insert into the Faraday cage to
emulate velocity increase of a beam as with a fire nozzle and
Bernollis theorems where I can reduce the area of resting for
particles
where the number of particles remains a *constant where equilibrium
requires a increase in *velocity and a tighter beam.
Regards
Art Unwin...KB89MZ...xg (uk)

ah, so now you are going to shoot particles from a fire hose faster
than light... that should be an interesting antenna. send me a
picture of it yesterday so i can comment on it the day before and we
could set up a whole backwards in time thread.

On Dec 8, 8:51*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"JIMMIE" ...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

Dave wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:51Â*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Â*"JIMMIE" ...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

Or dielectric horns?


--
Jim Pennino

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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:00:44 -0000, wrote:

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

Or dielectric horns?

They work like pin-ball flippers for the particles - 'bviously.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Dave" wrote
...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Dave" wrote
...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*

Babbling nonsense.



--
Jim Pennino

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On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? So which is it? do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.

On Dec 9, 8:43*pm, Dave wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Art fails to recongnize that if he were right all present day antenna
designs would be wrong an could not possibly work. Unfortunately for
Art we have been able to succesfully design antennas using mathmatics
with accurate preditable outcome for 100 years.


Jimmie

On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.
Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the
waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from
potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is
limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or
transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the
boundary then mass is a requirement.
The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is
mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen.
It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts
it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time
taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within
mass.
An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to
change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form
to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used.
And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true
analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods
used.
This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means
that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only
account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again,
that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass,
and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the energy
field is in the form of a closed circuit.
If you so desire you can fall in line with present day thinking that
a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that
radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is
acknoweledged as not fully explainable.