On Dec 8, 8:51*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"JIMMIE" ...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

Dave wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:51Â*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Â*"JIMMIE" ...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

Or dielectric horns?


--
Jim Pennino

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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:00:44 -0000, wrote:

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

Or dielectric horns?

They work like pin-ball flippers for the particles - 'bviously.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Dave" wrote
...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Dave" wrote
...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*

so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*

Babbling nonsense.



--
Jim Pennino

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On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? So which is it? do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.

On Dec 9, 8:43*pm, Dave wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Art fails to recongnize that if he were right all present day antenna
designs would be wrong an could not possibly work. Unfortunately for
Art we have been able to succesfully design antennas using mathmatics
with accurate preditable outcome for 100 years.


Jimmie

On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.
Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the
waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from
potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is
limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or
transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the
boundary then mass is a requirement.
The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is
mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen.
It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts
it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time
taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within
mass.
An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to
change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form
to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used.
And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true
analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods
used.
This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means
that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only
account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again,
that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass,
and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the energy
field is in the form of a closed circuit.
If you so desire you can fall in line with present day thinking that
a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that
radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is
acknoweledged as not fully explainable.

On Dec 10, 3:24*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote:



On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced.. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.

Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the
waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from
potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is
limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or
transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the
boundary then mass is a requirement.

sorry, but no. mass is not a requirement for transporting energy.

The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is
mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen.
It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts
it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time
taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within
mass.
An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to
change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form
to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used.
And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true
*analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods
used.
This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means
that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only
account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again,
that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass,
and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the *energy
field is in the form of a closed circuit.
If you so desire you can fall in *line with present day thinking that
a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that
radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is
acknoweledged as not fully explainable.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

particles are particles and waves are waves unless you start talking
quantum mechanics when all bets are off... fortunately quantum
mechanics is not needed to discuss electromagnetic phenomena. if
there were 10% missing energy in the maxwell equations i am quite sure
it would have been found by now, we can measure waves much more
accurately than that and have been able to for many years. the
verifications of accuracy of nec and other programs based on maxwell's
equations shows that quite well. if you don't believe it, find the
missing terms and publish them in a peer reviewed journal so they can
be shot full of holes.

On Dec 10, 7:47*am, Dave wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:24*am, Art Unwin wrote:



On Dec 9, 7:43*pm, Dave wrote:

On Dec 9, 8:30*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

*"Dave" ...
On Dec 8, 8:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"JIMMIE"
...
On Dec 7, 3:03 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Lets make sure I follow, You are saying that radio communication
occurs because and antenna emits statically charged particle that then
imparts their charge to the receiving antenna when they strike the
antenna. Is this what you are saying.

Yes. But in form of longitudinal waves. Electrons go out and come back
from
the end of radiator. For this reason he can wrote: "the idea of point
radiation which leads to efficient small volume antennas.
And following these edicts I have been able to make radiators of a
smnaller volume that is known in the present state of the art."

When electrons oscillate in a transmitter the voltage at the end of a
radiator is doubled and the strong Gauss electric field is produced. Such
waves are longitudinal.

Exactly which particles are you saying are responsible for this?.

Here are many hypothesis. One of them is the Diracs electron see.. So the
electrons in the conductor kick the electrons in the space. But it is not
important. Radio people should know which part of the radiator radiate and
what the waves a normal pressure waves or artifical TEM waves.
S*
so how do antennas encased in insulators work at all?

For this Maxwell invented the displacement current. It is oscillating
current in insulators. In insulators are charges which can not flow bat only
can oscillate. They can oscillate to and fro and/or rotate about some angle.

For the transverse wave they rotate.
For longitudinal to and fro.

But such seperate waves are only in the math. Real waves have always the two
components. Always dominate the longitudinal.
S*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but you said that "conductor kick the electrons in the space", now its
not electrons? *So which is it? *do you believe in art and his
particles that get kicked off the diamagnetic elements, or in the
maxwell displacement current that requires no particles?

maxwell's math only describes the real waves and they are always
transverse. the only fictional mathematical waves are standing
waves... they aren't real waves, just figments of someone's bad math
meant to confuse poor amateurs.

Hold it now! The present aproach involving waves is correct but the
waves themselves are a closed circuits without mass. The change from
potential energy to kinetic energy is an accellerating term that is
limited in a closed circuit by a decelleration of change or
transformation of energy. For energy to be transported outside the
boundary then mass is a requirement.

sorry, but no. *mass is not a requirement for transporting energy

I am willing to learn! What is the carrier for energy and how?







The same interaction goes on inside a cathode ray tube where it is
mass or a particle that hits or impacts the inside of the screen.
It is the same action that levitates an aluminum can(mass) and lofts
it thru the air into a bin. In other words it is similar to the time
taken for energy to change from a kinetic to a potential energy within
mass.
An analogy is the amount of energy and time taken for heated water to
change into steam.Gauss shows that to change from a static form
to a dynamic form both time and mass are the metrics that are used.
And that is true for both classical and particle physics where true
*analysis of the universe must be the same regardless of the methods
used.
This does not mean that present radiators do not radiate, it means
that present day antennas do not radiate efficiently as they only
account for approx 90% of that which creates radiation. I state again,
that when transporting energy there is an absolute necessity for mass,
and it is mass that escapes from a energy field where the *energy
field is in the form of a closed circuit.
If you so desire you can fall in *line with present day thinking that
a particle is sometimes a wave but the same source clearly states that
radiation is not fully understood, so the choice is yours tho it is
acknoweledged as not fully explainable.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

particles are particles and waves are waves

Quite correct, one is an adjective and the other is a noun.
You can put a particle into a container, a wave you cannot



unless you start talking
quantum mechanics when all bets are off...

An answer in science is acceptable if it matches well known facts
So here we have two sciences that squable about who is right and who
is wrong in describing the same phenomina



fortunately quantum
mechanics is not needed to discuss electromagnetic phenomena. *if
there were 10% missing energy in the maxwell equations i am quite sure
it would have been found by now,

A planar design of radiator does not conform with Maxwell's equations.
Following Maxwell's equations provides accountability of all forces
and NEC programs are very capable of showing this by divulging that
same 10% of missing energy.



we can measure waves much more
accurately than that and have been able to for many years. *the
verifications of accuracy of nec and other programs based on maxwell's
equations shows that quite well. *if you don't believe it, find the
missing terms and publish them in a peer reviewed journal so they

can
be shot full of holes.

The relevent term was added in the Maxwell corrections of his
equations. See the sample on my page.

How about supplying some facts to back up your claims so they can be
discussed?