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Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR.
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD
wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? |
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"EI5DD" wrote in message ... Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) IIRC, he had the design posted on his webpage and perhaps in QEX. I don't remember him ever giving details to QST or to this group, but he did eventually provide construction details on a "fractal vertical". Brings back memories of spirited discussions. :) --Wayne W5GIE |
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On Dec 6, 5:44*am, EI5DD wrote:
Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD Maybe this link could help? http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7019695-0-large.jpg |
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"EI5DD" wrote in message ... Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD I remember seeing a construction article, but not sure where. I looked through my Communications Quarterlys and found summer 1995 has an article "Fractal Antennas Part 1, Introduction and the Fractal Quad" You might be able to build an antenna from the article, I couldn't. They sell the article here. http://www.fractenna.com/nca_reprint.html I don't know if part two was ever printed. Chip took a lot of heat about this idea, probably would have saved himself a lot of grief if he would have skipped the whole ham thing and just started marketing them as shrunken antennas. Mike |
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"danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. Mike |
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On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote:
"danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? *I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! Yes this group did go after him with insults e.t.c. until he finally left and went into business leaving the group devoid of experts again. He has several law suits filed against the biggest phone makers in the world where they were using his ideas with out his knowlege and not paying for them.If it is found that he is correct that other phone makers felt they had to use his ideas to stay in business then it would appear the ideas had merit. He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Tom W8ti was one , Litchfield is another who left, Llewellen rarely appears now and there were a lot more that left. The pseudo experts are still here and easily recognisable and there are many a day that the newbies will not come near this newsgroup to ask a question. No, Chip was not a buffoon and is laughing all the way to the bank despite criticism from those from those who decided there was no need to go to college or even high school because they could holler louder than anybody else and win. |
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"amdx" wrote in message ... "EI5DD" wrote in message ... Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD I remember seeing a construction article, but not sure where. I looked through my Communications Quarterlys and found summer 1995 has an article "Fractal Antennas Part 1, Introduction and the Fractal Quad" You might be able to build an antenna from the article, I couldn't. They sell the article here. http://www.fractenna.com/nca_reprint.html I don't know if part two was ever printed. Chip took a lot of heat about this idea, probably would have saved himself a lot of grief if he would have skipped the whole ham thing and just started marketing them as shrunken antennas. Mike I found a Comm Quarterly index, Chip has more Fractal articles. summer 1995, spring 1996, summer 1996 and winter 1996. I dont know if any are construction articles. Mike |
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J. Mc Laughlin wrote:
Dear Group: Dr. Nathan Cohen See also US Patents: (some may have been missed) (just antenna related) 6104349 6140975 6127977 6445352 6452553 6476766 6985122 7019695 7126537 7145513 7190318 7215290 7256751 7345642 7456799 and perhaps five published applications This set must have cost a serious amount of money. 73, Mac N8TT What those patents cost to get would make a handsome annual salary. Especially if any were initially rejected. tom K0TAR |
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On Dec 6, 9:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? *I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! A non sequitur. Look at posts by and decide about buffoonery. Cohen loved to threaten people. http://opsyhopsy.com/MiscJunk/who_is_nc.htm |
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On Dec 7, 12:14*pm, Bill wrote:
On Dec 6, 9:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? *I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! A non sequitur. Look at posts by and decide about buffoonery. Cohen loved to threaten people.http://opsyhopsy.com/MiscJunk/who_is_nc.htm He stood up for himself, nothing wrong with that |
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On Dec 6, 5:44*am, EI5DD wrote:
Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some. JImmie |
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On Dec 7, 1:27*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 6, 5:44*am, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some. JImmie Correct, Maxwell's laws referes only to the distributed loads which remain in place no matter what you do to the wire. For way to long the notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of radio by those who oppose change. Actually it was present members of this particular group who attacked his ideas as a false technology without presenting proof, only derision. A line eagerly joined by the pseudo experts from the CB era, some of which remain today. |
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For way to (sic) long the notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of radio by those who oppose change. Why would anybody object to bending wires? Your need for drama is psychopathic. Cohen met with derision because he WAS a buffoon. And so are you Art. |
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On Dec 7, 3:18*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 1:27*pm, JIMMIE wrote: On Dec 6, 5:44*am, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some. JImmie Correct, Maxwell's laws referes only to the distributed loads which remain in place no matter what you do to the wire. For way to long the notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of radio by those who oppose change. Actually it was present members of this particular group who attacked his ideas as a false technology without presenting proof, only derision. A line eagerly joined by the pseudo experts from the CB era, some of which remain today.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Antenna physically shortened by bending the wires is certainly not new to amateur radio as any ham with a small yard will atest. To say that these antennas will work without degradation when compared to their unaltered counterparts is just wrong. Jimmie. |
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:17 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote: He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Ever consider what motivates the real experts to spend their time answering questions? I'm certainly no expert, but I do try to answer what little I can. For me it's learning something new and a karma boost in helping others learn and understand. Passing on my experiences and knowledge and all that. Now, contrast that with the signal to noise ratio of this group. There isn't any question or discussion that doesn't get derailed into politics, philosophy, and some really off the wall physics. The dedicated experts will try to untangle the mess, and inject some reality into the discussion, with little results. All the time and effort spent in honestly answering on topic questions gets lost and wasted in the apparently endless and useless pseudo science discussions, none of which have any obvious applications to antennas. Little wonder the experts get tired of wasting their time, and go elsewhere. I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs. I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or part of the problem. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs. I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or part of the problem. Or to inject some more meaningless physics, part of the precipitate? :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:19:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote: Jeff Liebermann wrote: I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs. I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or part of the problem. Or to inject some more meaningless physics, part of the precipitate? Geoff. More like natural philosophy or possibly fizzix. It's also more like flocculation than precipitation. With a precipitate, all the rot just settles to other bottom, where it's easy to separate and identify. With flocculation, the rubbish seems to appear out of nowhere and turn into flakes, while the topic of discussion remains suspended in solution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flocculation Let he who is free of off-topic, irrelevant, pseudo-science, and useless comments, cast the first follow up. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 1:27 pm, JIMMIE wrote: On Dec 6, 5:44 am, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some. JImmie Correct, Maxwell's laws referes only to the distributed loads which remain in place no matter what you do to the wire. For way to long the notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of radio by those who oppose change. Actually it was present members of this particular group who attacked his ideas as a false technology without presenting proof, only derision. A line eagerly joined by the pseudo experts from the CB era, some of which remain today. So does this fractal antenna perform better than any other antenna? They seem like a solution so a specific problem, not as the sort of thing you would use if say you wanted high performance or had space to put a more conventional antenna into service. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 12:14 pm, Bill wrote: On Dec 6, 9:20 pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 7:47 pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! A non sequitur. Look at posts by and decide about buffoonery. Cohen loved to threaten people.http://opsyhopsy.com/MiscJunk/who_is_nc.htm He stood up for himself, nothing wrong with that What I'm curious about is what exactly does he own? Does he own the fractal patterns? the formula to derive the fractal patters. Just what? The Madelbort and Julia sets? If it the above, I'm outta here to go get a patent on Pi and all it's applications. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 7, 3:18 pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 7, 1:27 pm, JIMMIE wrote: On Dec 6, 5:44 am, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) -- EI5DD Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some. JImmie Correct, Maxwell's laws referes only to the distributed loads which remain in place no matter what you do to the wire. For way to long the notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of radio by those who oppose change. Actually it was present members of this particular group who attacked his ideas as a false technology without presenting proof, only derision. A line eagerly joined by the pseudo experts from the CB era, some of which remain today.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Antenna physically shortened by bending the wires is certainly not new to amateur radio as any ham with a small yard will atest. To say that these antennas will work without degradation when compared to their unaltered counterparts is just wrong. That's the point I don't get, Jimmie. I don't know that anyone is saying these antennas don't work. I think its a matter of just how well they work. The answer is often "not very". Yes, we can get a lot of things to radiate. Wires folded in a fractal pattern will radiate, so will wires folded in a random pattern. Woe is the day someone gets a patent on "random". Antennas that are a tuned circuit on top of a length of coax will radiate - at least the coax will. So what? When I was a kid I made a little model of a radio telescope antenna out of copper wire and Aluminum foil. It was about 12 inches in diameter. Took a wire and attached it to an old radio. It worked better than no wire attached. Not that I'm going to promote it as a good antenna though. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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Michael Coslo wrote in
: Woe is the day someone gets a patent on "random". Nope. Celebrate it. If it happens the patent system will lose credibility as a protection, let alone value for money, and people will rely on copyright law instead. Maybe that needs reform but the patent system is irredeemable in my view. The sooner it is terminally discredited the better. That was off-topic, I know, but I withstood a few temptations already, and I won't get carried away. I don't expect everyone to agree so I won't argue it. if someome makes something work, and can get paid for the actual work, good for them, I don't think anyone should stand in the way of that. If people want to protect ideas, write them down, date them, and copyright them. That way plagiarism is preventable but suppression of anything remotely resembling it is not a legal option. And people won't be able to make claims for garbage while citing patents that shouldn't have been granted anyway, and wouldn't, if those granted could understand what was behind the obfuscating nonsense that some try to pass as a real invention. /rant. |
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:29:51 -0500, Michael Coslo
wrote: Woe is the day someone gets a patent on "random". Go to: http://www.google.com/patents and inscribe "random" or "random antenna" into the search box. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:29:51 -0500, Michael Coslo wrote: Woe is the day someone gets a patent on "random". Go to: http://www.google.com/patents and inscribe "random" or "random antenna" into the search box. I did google fractal. I can see that the different inventors do seem to be using similar fractals for their antennas. It looks to me as if what is needed for me to design my own without fear of infringement would be to just do some minor change, get my own patent, then there ya go. Cohen's particular patents seem just fine as far as I can see. Not specifically involved with fractals, but with the concept of patents in general, it looks as if we are seeing intellectual property rights run rampant. While no one should be denied the fruits of their cleverness, the system has devolved to the point where people are just ginning up patents with minor changes in hopes that someone infringes on them. Then they hit the jackpot, you bet. The system kind of reminds me of the rednecks who play the disability lottery, hoping to get hurt so they can collect. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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On Dec 8, 9:08*am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:17 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin wrote: He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Ever consider what motivates the real experts to spend their time answering questions? *I'm certainly no expert, but I do try to answer what little I can. *For me it's learning something new and a karma boost in helping others learn and understand. *Passing on my experiences and knowledge and all that. * Now, contrast that with the signal to noise ratio of this group. There isn't any question or discussion that doesn't get derailed into politics, philosophy, and some really off the wall physics. snip Remember, I offered a Swell Prize for anybody who produced an algorithm to predict when a thread was going to turn ugly -- or at least go goofy. It hasn't been claimed. Art? Sal |
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On Dec 9, 2:42*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:29:51 -0500, Michael Coslo wrote: Woe is the day someone gets a patent on "random". That should be my wife. Jimmie |
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On Dec 12, 4:09*am, "Sal M. Onella" wrote:
On Dec 8, 9:08*am, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:17 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin wrote: He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Ever consider what motivates the real experts to spend their time answering questions? *I'm certainly no expert, but I do try to answer what little I can. *For me it's learning something new and a karma boost in helping others learn and understand. *Passing on my experiences and knowledge and all that. * Now, contrast that with the signal to noise ratio of this group. There isn't any question or discussion that doesn't get derailed into politics, philosophy, and some really off the wall physics. snip Remember, I offered a Swell Prize for anybody who produced an algorithm to predict when a thread was going to turn ugly -- or at least go goofy. *It hasn't been claimed. *Art? Sal pick a random number between 0 and 100, somewhere in that number of postings any thread will turn ugly, change topics, or go completly crazy. |
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:20 -0800 (PST), "Sal M. Onella"
wrote: Remember, I offered a Swell Prize for anybody who produced an algorithm to predict when a thread was going to turn ugly -- or at least go goofy. It hasn't been claimed. Art? Easy. Create a list of the most frequent posters. Include the number of postings they create per month, and the number of original lines of text they add each month (don't include quotes and blank lines). Select the top 3 posters, that have the smallest ratio of postings to new content. These are the ones that traditionally change the topic with one or two line inflamatory remarks. When they appear, the thread is sure to go awry. Also create a list of first time posters, who do NOT start a thread, but only comment on it. These are guaranteed topic drift candidates as long time posters directly attack the new poster, rather than his comments. A 3rd class of posters are those that supply pure opinions, without any substantiation, examples, or anecdotes. Any thread that starts out this way, will invariably include an example demonstrating that the original allegations are wrong. It's at this point, that the thread will go off into the minutae of the example, drifting away from the original opinions. Please send my prize to the address below. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 9:20 pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 7:47 pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! A non sequitur. Look at posts by and decide about buffoonery. Cohen loved to threaten people. http://opsyhopsy.com/MiscJunk/who_is_nc.htm I was threatened with a lawyer by him in the 90's simply because I questioned his theory. He made no attempts to befriend the group. GeorgeC |
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:47:28 -0600, "amdx" wrote:
"danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. Mike The way he acted, not what he knew or how many he could sell determined if he was a Buffoon...He was/is. |
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"danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:47:28 -0600, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. Mike The way he acted, not what he knew or how many he could sell determined if he was a Buffoon...He was/is. - You must admit that there was a certain amount of entertainment in Chip's postings. If someone asked him a simple question, such as "how long was the longest element on the antenna you built"....he could have just said "x feet". Instead, he would post a 6 paragraph rant and direct the person asking the question to some obscure publication. |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:09:56 -0800, "Wayne"
wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:47:28 -0600, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. Mike The way he acted, not what he knew or how many he could sell determined if he was a Buffoon...He was/is. - You must admit that there was a certain amount of entertainment in Chip's postings. If someone asked him a simple question, such as "how long was the longest element on the antenna you built"....he could have just said "x feet". Instead, he would post a 6 paragraph rant and direct the person asking the question to some obscure publication. He was great entertainment as a Buffoon! He just never caught on to the fact he was the featured headliner. If threats to sue people were money, many here would be much wealthier than they are now! Many people use the phrase,"They laughed all the way to the bank". Which may be true, but does not lessen the fact that some are just destined to be Buffoons. It is their "lot in life", "their fate". No matter how much money he makes or fame he acquires, be will always be a Buffoon. Dan N9JBF |
Fractal Antenna
On Dec 25, 7:42*am, danl wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:09:56 -0800, "Wayne" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:47:28 -0600, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mike The way he acted, not what he knew or how many he could sell determined if he was a Buffoon...He was/is. - You must admit that there was a certain amount of entertainment in Chip's postings. *If someone asked him a simple question, such as "how long was the longest element on the antenna you built"....he could have just said "x feet". *Instead, he would post a 6 paragraph rant and direct the person asking the question to some obscure publication. He was great entertainment as a Buffoon! *He just never caught on to the fact he was the featured headliner. *If threats to sue people were money, many here would be much wealthier than they are now! Many people use the phrase,"They laughed all the way to the bank". Which may be true, but does not lessen the fact that some are just destined to be Buffoons. *It is their "lot in life", "their fate". *No matter how much money he makes or fame he acquires, be will always be a Buffoon. Dan N9JBF The over welming importance of the Fractal antenna is that it ALWAYS presents a resistive load when discounting proximetry effects. Thus leaving the problems of efficiency to the "matching" issues. |
Fractal Antenna
On Dec 25, 5:44*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 25, 7:42*am, danl wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:09:56 -0800, "Wayne" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:47:28 -0600, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mike The way he acted, not what he knew or how many he could sell determined if he was a Buffoon...He was/is. - You must admit that there was a certain amount of entertainment in Chip's postings. *If someone asked him a simple question, such as "how long was the longest element on the antenna you built"....he could have just said "x feet". *Instead, he would post a 6 paragraph rant and direct the person asking the question to some obscure publication. He was great entertainment as a Buffoon! *He just never caught on to the fact he was the featured headliner. *If threats to sue people were money, many here would be much wealthier than they are now! Many people use the phrase,"They laughed all the way to the bank". Which may be true, but does not lessen the fact that some are just destined to be Buffoons. *It is their "lot in life", "their fate". *No matter how much money he makes or fame he acquires, be will always be a Buffoon. Dan N9JBF The over welming importance of the Fractal antenna is that it ALWAYS presents a resistive load when discounting proximetry effects. Thus leaving the problems of efficiency to the "matching" issues.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - no, it doesn't. go re-read some of fracky's original posts and you will find out that a dipole is the degenerate case of any fractal folding algorithm, and since we all know dipoles exhibit non-resistive impedances when not at resonance that statement is just simply wrong. |
Fractal Antenna
On Dec 26, 6:27*pm, Dave wrote:
On Dec 25, 5:44*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 25, 7:42*am, danl wrote: On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:09:56 -0800, "Wayne" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:47:28 -0600, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mike The way he acted, not what he knew or how many he could sell determined if he was a Buffoon...He was/is. - You must admit that there was a certain amount of entertainment in Chip's postings. *If someone asked him a simple question, such as "how long was the longest element on the antenna you built"....he could have just said "x feet". *Instead, he would post a 6 paragraph rant and direct the person asking the question to some obscure publication. He was great entertainment as a Buffoon! *He just never caught on to the fact he was the featured headliner. *If threats to sue people were money, many here would be much wealthier than they are now! Many people use the phrase,"They laughed all the way to the bank". Which may be true, but does not lessen the fact that some are just destined to be Buffoons. *It is their "lot in life", "their fate". *No matter how much money he makes or fame he acquires, be will always be a Buffoon. Dan N9JBF The over welming importance of the Fractal antenna is that it ALWAYS presents a resistive load when discounting proximetry effects. Thus leaving the problems of efficiency to the "matching" issues.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - no, it doesn't. *go re-read some of fracky's original posts and you will find out that a dipole is the degenerate case of any fractal folding algorithm, and since we all know dipoles exhibit non-resistive impedances when not at resonance that statement is just simply wrong.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - no snappy comeback for that art? are you slipping? or are facts pesky things to be avoided? |
Fractal Antenna
On Dec 6, 8:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? *I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! Yes this group did go after him with insults e.t.c. until he finally left and went into business leaving the group devoid of experts again. He has several law suits filed against the biggest phone makers in the world where they were using his ideas with out his knowlege and not *paying for them.If it is found that he is correct that other phone makers felt they had to use his ideas to stay in business then it would appear the ideas had merit. He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Tom W8ti was one , Litchfield is another who left, Llewellen rarely appears now and there were a lot more that left. The pseudo experts are still here and easily recognisable and there are many a day that the newbies will not come near this newsgroup to ask a question. No, Chip was not a buffoon and is laughing all the way to the bank despite criticism from those from those who decided there was no need to go to *college or even high school because they could holler louder than anybody else and win. Apparently it is" Fractus" that is the company sueing several companies and not "Fractal"antennas. I thought they were one and the same companies,So I am in error. Thus I apologize for this error. So let it be clear, that it is not Chip and his company that is pursuing the other phone manufactures but another company of like name With respect to Chip's designs. What I consider important is that his radiators do NOT contain, or produce, any lumped loads in their manufacture that are not canceled leaving just distributed loads. Thus for the given actual length of the radiator ( the equivalent stretched radiator length) the impedance is strictly resistive, neglecting proximetry effects. This meets the intent of Maxwells equations where lumped loads DO NOT EXIST when accounting for all forces involved in radiation. The only deviation from Maxwell that I can see is that it does introduce sharp bends which also introduces phenomina with respect to current lamina flow, where excess eddy current flow is introduced, which is additive and not subject to cancellation. Art Unwin KB9MZ...xg |
Fractal Antenna
On Dec 28, 2:53*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 6, 8:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? *I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! Yes this group did go after him with insults e.t.c. until he finally left and went into business leaving the group devoid of experts again. He has several law suits filed against the biggest phone makers in the world where they were using his ideas with out his knowlege and not *paying for them.If it is found that he is correct that other phone makers felt they had to use his ideas to stay in business then it would appear the ideas had merit. He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Tom W8ti was one , Litchfield is another who left, Llewellen rarely appears now and there were a lot more that left. The pseudo experts are still here and easily recognisable and there are many a day that the newbies will not come near this newsgroup to ask a question. No, Chip was not a buffoon and is laughing all the way to the bank despite criticism from those from those who decided there was no need to go to *college or even high school because they could holler louder than anybody else and win. Apparently it is" Fractus" *that is the company sueing several companies and not "Fractal"antennas. I thought they were one and the same companies,So I am in error. Thus I apologize for this error. *So let it be clear, that it is not Chip and his company that is pursuing the other phone manufactures but another company of like name With respect to Chip's designs. What I consider important is that his radiators do NOT contain, or produce, any lumped loads in their manufacture that are not canceled leaving just distributed loads. Thus for the given actual length of the radiator ( the equivalent stretched radiator length) the impedance is strictly resistive, neglecting proximetry effects. *This meets the intent of Maxwells equations where lumped loads DO NOT EXIST when accounting for all forces involved in radiation. The only deviation from Maxwell that I can see is that it does introduce sharp bends which also introduces phenomina with respect to current lamina flow, where excess eddy current flow is introduced, which is additive and not subject to cancellation. Art Unwin KB9MZ...xg- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Art, how does a current through a lumped inductance behave contrary to Maxells equations? Jimmie |
Fractal Antenna
On Dec 28, 5:25*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 28, 2:53*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 8:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? *I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! Yes this group did go after him with insults e.t.c. until he finally left and went into business leaving the group devoid of experts again. He has several law suits filed against the biggest phone makers in the world where they were using his ideas with out his knowlege and not *paying for them.If it is found that he is correct that other phone makers felt they had to use his ideas to stay in business then it would appear the ideas had merit. He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Tom W8ti was one , Litchfield is another who left, Llewellen rarely appears now and there were a lot more that left. The pseudo experts are still here and easily recognisable and there are many a day that the newbies will not come near this newsgroup to ask a question. No, Chip was not a buffoon and is laughing all the way to the bank despite criticism from those from those who decided there was no need to go to *college or even high school because they could holler louder than anybody else and win. Apparently it is" Fractus" *that is the company sueing several companies and not "Fractal"antennas. I thought they were one and the same companies,So I am in error. Thus I apologize for this error. *So let it be clear, that it is not Chip and his company that is pursuing the other phone manufactures but another company of like name With respect to Chip's designs. What I consider important is that his radiators do NOT contain, or produce, any lumped loads in their manufacture that are not canceled leaving just distributed loads. Thus for the given actual length of the radiator ( the equivalent stretched radiator length) the impedance is strictly resistive, neglecting proximetry effects. *This meets the intent of Maxwells equations where lumped loads DO NOT EXIST when accounting for all forces involved in radiation. The only deviation from Maxwell that I can see is that it does introduce sharp bends which also introduces phenomina with respect to current lamina flow, where excess eddy current flow is introduced, which is additive and not subject to cancellation. Art Unwin KB9MZ...xg- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Art, how does a current through a lumped inductance behave contrary to Maxells equations? Jimmie That is pretty obvious! If you review Maxwell equations you will see reference to root L.C, where L and C refers to distributed loads only and is not inclusive of lumped loads. Adding a lumped load introduces unbalance or a deviation from equilibrium, which is a fundamental when reviewing the laws of the Masters. Mathematics demands of every equation that the metrics MUST cancel to zero. Thus all metrics involved must consist of pairs. If one introduces a lumped load via building considerations then another one has to be introduced so that the metrics are able to cancel out to zero. In the case of the slinky antenna it thus demands that the windings must be equal and opposite. Art |
Fractal Antenna
On Dec 29, 12:30*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 28, 5:25*pm, JIMMIE wrote: On Dec 28, 2:53*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 8:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote: On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote: "danl" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD wrote: Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on work done by Nathan Coen N1IR. Steve (EI5DD) Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn! N9JBF Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around? *I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like he is selling a bunch of them. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate! Yes this group did go after him with insults e.t.c. until he finally left and went into business leaving the group devoid of experts again. He has several law suits filed against the biggest phone makers in the world where they were using his ideas with out his knowlege and not *paying for them.If it is found that he is correct that other phone makers felt they had to use his ideas to stay in business then it would appear the ideas had merit. He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this group, Tom W8ti was one , Litchfield is another who left, Llewellen rarely appears now and there were a lot more that left. The pseudo experts are still here and easily recognisable and there are many a day that the newbies will not come near this newsgroup to ask a question. No, Chip was not a buffoon and is laughing all the way to the bank despite criticism from those from those who decided there was no need to go to *college or even high school because they could holler louder than anybody else and win. Apparently it is" Fractus" *that is the company sueing several companies and not "Fractal"antennas. I thought they were one and the same companies,So I am in error. Thus I apologize for this error. *So let it be clear, that it is not Chip and his company that is pursuing the other phone manufactures but another company of like name With respect to Chip's designs. What I consider important is that his radiators do NOT contain, or produce, any lumped loads in their manufacture that are not canceled leaving just distributed loads. Thus for the given actual length of the radiator ( the equivalent stretched radiator length) the impedance is strictly resistive, neglecting proximetry effects. *This meets the intent of Maxwells equations where lumped loads DO NOT EXIST when accounting for all forces involved in radiation. The only deviation from Maxwell that I can see is that it does introduce sharp bends which also introduces phenomina with respect to current lamina flow, where excess eddy current flow is introduced, which is additive and not subject to cancellation. Art Unwin KB9MZ...xg- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Art, how does a current through a lumped inductance behave contrary to Maxells equations? Jimmie That is pretty obvious! If you review Maxwell equations you will see reference to root L.C, where L and C refers to distributed loads only and is not inclusive of lumped loads. Adding a lumped load introduces unbalance or a deviation from equilibrium, which is a fundamental when reviewing the laws of the Masters. Mathematics demands of every equation that the metrics MUST cancel to zero. Thus *all metrics involved must consist of pairs. If one introduces a lumped load via building considerations then another one has to be introduced so that the metrics are able to cancel out to zero. *In the case of the slinky antenna it thus demands that the windings must be equal and opposite. Art always good for a laugh isn't he jimmie? |
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