On May 6, 8:25*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

you mangled the replies so badly that i couldn't even follow what you
were saying. light and radio waves are the same thing, as are gamma,
infra red, x-ray, etc... all the exact same phenomena explained very
well by maxwell's equations. scientists for 100 years have been
unable to come up with anything better, you aren't going to by your
misguided assertions that have no mathematics or experimental evidence
behind them.

sound waves and water waves are VERY different things. while some of
the equations take the same form because they share sinusoidal
repetition properties, the underlying physics is VERY different. you
have to abandon the analogies you learned in elementary school and
learn the proper physics to understand why electromagnetic waves are
not like sound or water... start with this, why can you polarize light
or radio waves but not sound waves?

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On May 6, 8:25 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

you mangled the replies so badly that i couldn't even follow what you
were saying. light and radio waves are the same thing, as are gamma,
infra red, x-ray, etc... all the exact same phenomena explained very
well by maxwell's equations. scientists for 100 years have been
unable to come up with anything better, you aren't going to by your
misguided assertions that have no mathematics or experimental evidence
behind them.

Maxwell's electricity is incompressible.
Todays electron gas is compressible. Behind them is mathematics (plasma
physics) and experimental evidence.

sound waves and water waves are VERY different things. while some of
the equations take the same form because they share sinusoidal
repetition properties,

Sinusoidal means harmonics. Real waves are not harmonics. They are rather
the chain of the solitons.

the underlying physics is VERY different. you
have to abandon the analogies you learned in elementary school and
learn the proper physics to understand why electromagnetic waves are
not like sound or water.

Sound and water waves are the real waves and such have always the two
components (longitudinal and transversal).
Maxwell' em waves are pure transversal. Maxwell wrote that it is a
proposition.

.. start with this, why can you polarize light or radio waves but not sound
waves?

I did it. Radio waves and sound waves have the same directional patterns for
the same numbers, configurations (and phases).
The two waves emitted from the dipole (ACOUSTIC OR ELECTRIC) are
"polarized". You can experimentally determine the plane in which the dipole
is.

The same is with more sources.
S*

On May 7, 8:26*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
I did it. Radio waves and sound waves have the same directional patterns for
the same numbers, configurations (and phases).
The two waves emitted from the dipole (ACOUSTIC OR ELECTRIC) are
"polarized". You can experimentally determine the plane in which the dipole
is.

The same is with more sources.
S*

they may have the same patterns for some cases, that is why they are
used in lower grades, to keep the explanations of waves simple for
those who don't have the mathematical background to understand the
full detail of it. but pattern does not show polarization. by
matching an interference pattern you are not showing how a wave is
polarized, only that superposition principles work for both types of
waves. show me an experiment where a sound wave is polarized, that
one i would like to see. you might want to start with a couple of
these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave
http://universe-review.ca/R12-03-wave.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/polarization-of-waves
http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/spcg/Tut...ther-light.htm

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On May 7, 8:26 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
I did it. Radio waves and sound waves have the same directional patterns
for
the same numbers, configurations (and phases).
The two waves emitted from the dipole (ACOUSTIC OR ELECTRIC) are
"polarized". You can experimentally determine the plane in which the
dipole
is.

The same is with more sources.
S*

they may have the same patterns for some cases, that is why they are
used in lower grades, to keep the explanations of waves simple for
those who don't have the mathematical background to understand the
full detail of it. but pattern does not show polarization. by
matching an interference pattern you are not showing how a wave is
polarized,

You assume that radio wave is transversal. Such are polarised. But such are
only in Maxwell's Hypothesis.

Radio waves from the ends of the dipole are coupled. The both are in one
plane.

Radio wave from one end is spherical.

only that superposition principles work for both types of
waves. show me an experiment where a sound wave is polarized,

Sound wave is not polarised. Sound waves from "dipole" is.

that one i would like to see.
you might want to start with a couple of
these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave
http://universe-review.ca/R12-03-wave.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/polarization-of-waves
http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/spcg/Tut...ther-light.htm

In above no directional pattern for sound dipoles.

"Polarized" means directional. Are all radio waves directional?
S*

On May 8, 7:19*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On May 7, 8:26 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

I did it. Radio waves and sound waves have the same directional patterns
for
the same numbers, configurations (and phases).
The two waves emitted from the dipole (ACOUSTIC OR ELECTRIC) are
"polarized". You can experimentally determine the plane in which the
dipole
is.

The same is with more sources.
S*
they may have the same patterns for some cases, that is why they are

used in lower grades, to keep the explanations of waves simple for
those who don't have the mathematical background to understand the
full detail of it. *but pattern does not show polarization. *by
matching an interference pattern you are not showing how a wave is
polarized,

You assume that radio wave is transversal. Such are polarised. But such are
only in Maxwell's Hypothesis.

Radio waves from the ends of the *dipole are coupled. The both are in one
plane.

Radio wave from one end is spherical.

only that superposition principles work for both types of

waves. *show me an experiment where a sound wave is polarized,

Sound wave is not polarised. Sound waves from "dipole" is.

that one i would like to see.
you might want to start with a couple of

these:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavehtt...rial_files/Web...

In above no directional pattern for sound dipoles.

"Polarized" means directional. Are all radio waves directional?
S*

this discussion is worthless until you go back to school and learn the
basics.

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On May 8, 7:19 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

You assume that radio wave is transversal. Such are polarised. But such
are
only in Maxwell's Hypothesis.

Radio waves from the ends of the dipole are coupled. The both are in one
plane.

Radio wave from one end is spherical.

only that superposition principles work for both types of

waves. show me an experiment where a sound wave is polarized,

Sound wave is not polarised. Sound waves from "dipole" is.

that one i would like to see.
you might want to start with a couple of

these:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavehtt...rial_files/Web...

In above no directional pattern for sound dipoles.

"Polarized" means directional. Are all radio waves directional?
S*

this discussion is worthless until you go back to school and learn the
basics.

In textbooks must be all theories.
In one chapter light (and radio waves) is like photons, in the next chapter
like EM waves and in next like acoustics.

EM is the only example of transversal waves. So it must be in teaching
program.

But we try to help Peter. He wrote: "I begin to appreciate a comment made by
a fellow radio amateur and
technician that antenna theory was 15% science and 85% black magic! "

It seems that you are sure that radio waves are transversal. It is
impossible to help you (Maxwell was full of doubts).
May be that somebody consider the Acoustic analogy and the black magic
disappear for him.
S*

On May 9, 10:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"K1TTT" ...
On May 8, 7:19 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





You assume that radio wave is transversal. Such are polarised. But such
are
only in Maxwell's Hypothesis.

Radio waves from the ends of the dipole are coupled. The both are in one
plane.

Radio wave from one end is spherical.

only that superposition principles work for both types of

waves. show me an experiment where a sound wave is polarized,

Sound wave is not polarised. Sound waves from "dipole" is.

that one i would like to see.
you might want to start with a couple of

these:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavehtt....ca/R12-03-wav......

In above no directional pattern for sound dipoles.

"Polarized" means directional. Are all radio waves directional?
S*
this discussion is worthless until you go back to school and learn the

basics.

In textbooks must be all theories.
In one chapter light (and radio waves) is like photons, in the next chapter
like EM waves and in next like acoustics.

EM is the only example of transversal waves. So it must be in teaching
program.

But we try to help Peter. He wrote: "I begin to appreciate a comment made by
a fellow radio amateur and
technician that antenna theory was 15% science and 85% black magic! "

It seems that you are sure that radio waves are transversal. It is
impossible to help you (Maxwell was full of doubts).
May be that somebody consider the Acoustic analogy and the black magic
disappear for him.
S*

maxwell may have been full of doubts, and Einstein wasn't able to see
the experiments that have proven his theories, but we have seen them
well tested and accepted over the years. if you think that 85% is
black magic then you have lots of learning to do to fill in that 85%
gap in your knowledge.