On 05/24/2010 04:23 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On May 24, 2:35 pm, Bill wrote:
Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

After one thinks about it for awhile, one will realize that believing
in anything except physical particles is the religious faith-based
part. Can anything exist in the real world that doesn't have a
physical existence? The answer to that question is why particle
physics has become the accepted standard. Everyone who believes that
something can exist without an associated physical particle is free to
try to prove their belief but how can non-particles be measured?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Kind of what I meant. It seems that every year they are chasing
something, the latest being the 'Higgs' boson. The "Big Ring" in Europe
is a prime example by having counter rotating particles near the speed
of light smashing into each other at nearly twice the speed of light.
Sure there will be some odd particles coming from that but the life time
of these particles is sometimes measured in Nanoseconds, so they just
don't exist in the natural world.
Sigh
Bill Baka

On 05/24/2010 04:42 PM, tom wrote:
On 5/24/2010 3:34 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

If the score on IQ tests ever got to the point that is currently scored
as 130 it would be, by the method that determines IQ scores, 100.

But you probably already knew that.

tom
K0TAR

I did, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The bell curve
would just go up to the point that people with IQ's of 100 (by today's
standards) would be considered sub par. I do wish that could happen
since I can't deal with even average people. Sometimes I accidentally
use a big word or describe in detail something they don't know and I get
labeled either a show off or just plain smart ass. It is totally
unintentional but is happens.
Bill Baka

On May 24, 10:23*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/24/2010 04:42 PM, tom wrote:

On 5/24/2010 3:34 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

If the score on IQ tests ever got to the point that is currently scored
as 130 it would be, by the method that determines IQ scores, 100.

But you probably already knew that.

tom
K0TAR

I did, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The bell curve
would just go up to the point that people with IQ's of 100 (by today's
standards) would be considered sub par. I do wish that could happen
since I can't deal with even average people. Sometimes I accidentally
use a big word or describe in detail something they don't know and I get
labeled either a show off or just plain smart ass. It is totally
unintentional but is happens.
Bill Baka

Supposedly I'm rated in the mid 160's range, "I last tested at 168
a few light years ago", Most people you talk to will still tell you
I'm
a dumbass..
I usually agree with them.. :/

On 05/24/2010 09:12 PM, wrote:
On May 24, 10:23 pm, Bill wrote:
On 05/24/2010 04:42 PM, tom wrote:

On 5/24/2010 3:34 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

If the score on IQ tests ever got to the point that is currently scored
as 130 it would be, by the method that determines IQ scores, 100.

But you probably already knew that.

tom
K0TAR

I did, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The bell curve
would just go up to the point that people with IQ's of 100 (by today's
standards) would be considered sub par. I do wish that could happen
since I can't deal with even average people. Sometimes I accidentally
use a big word or describe in detail something they don't know and I get
labeled either a show off or just plain smart ass. It is totally
unintentional but is happens.
Bill Baka

Supposedly I'm rated in the mid 160's range, "I last tested at 168
a few light years ago", Most people you talk to will still tell you
I'm
a dumbass..
I usually agree with them.. :/


I'm probably in that range myself, since I can knock off a 150 while
talking to my boss, and in the multitasking mode. I considered joining
Mensa but their standards are too low for me. Lately I have just learned
to not speak out on anything since there are so many people who do not
want to hear, or learn anything. My wife is a prime example, couch
potato, thinks American Idol is a MUST see, and well,.... you get my
drift. I hate having to dumb down for the masses.
Cheers, see you in the stratosphere.
Bill Baka

On Mon, 24 May 2010 20:09:30 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:

On 05/24/2010 03:42 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:13 -0700, Bill
wrote:

those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Move to Lake Wobegone and enjoy the everyday experience of that.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I'm amazed that anyone even remembers that fictional lake.
Bill Baka

It's not hard to forget something that is on every week.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Bill Baka" wrote
...
On 05/24/2010 09:55 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

For light the photon has about 200 wavelength.
Radio wave "photon" is as long as transmitter works.
S*


I'll give you a partial agreement on this one. The rods in our eyes have
peak sensitivity at Yellow/green. There was a guy, a long time ago who
said he could detect a single photon in a very dark lab. So, if a photon
is anything anyhow a particle

In optics the light is in form of packets (oscillations for short time and
next brake - of course there are many sources).

how could he see it since the equipment was set up to radiate into a
detector. It may not be in our lifetimes that the true nature of light is
discovered.

Why?
If we can produce the artificial light (LEDs, laser) and we know that radio
waves are the same then we know all.
Radio waves are very convinient to analise.
They are the longitudinal electric waves which propagate in the electron
see.
It is very old theory. The only trouble was with the polarization. But now
radio people know that the dipole is polarised. In nature all light sources
are in form of dipoles.
S*

"Bill Baka" wrote
...
On 05/24/2010 01:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Can I rain on your parade? Light is just super high frequency RF. There
is
no such thing as a photon but scientists still use that to explain
things
in human terms for the unknowing masses. The best way I can describe a
photon is that it is one wavelength of light at any given wavelength or
frequency if you will.

It is math for it (Doulong). If a cristal is kicked it radiate diffrent
frequences. But not all and for a limited time.
Higher frequency bigger energy. But such packets are longer than one
wavelength. It is a coherency of radiation.

That explains why UV is harmful, higher frequency, while IR at longer
wavelengths is just heat.

Natural packets (photons) have probably the same length so the above is
obvious.
..
If a star or even our own sun gave off photons at the rate of burn then
it
would very soon be an ex-star.
There are very few people who can think at the needed level for this
kind
of thing, so let the argument continue. Really silly thinking that there
are red photons, green, yellow, etc.

Some substances emitt only one or only a few wavelength. Sodium emits
yellow.
(Sodium emitts yellow packets?).

Agreed.
That is why LED's emit at only one wave length. It just depends on which
elements are in the LED formula.

In one wavelength but still in packets.

But now are the fantastic lasers with the infinity "packet". Exactly like
radio waves:
""As the electrons are undergoing acceleration they radiate electromagnetic
energy in their flight direction, and as they interact with the light
already emitted, photons along its line are emitted in phase, resulting in a
"laser-like" monocromatic and coherent beam. The mirrors show in the sketch
below are superfluous, as all the light is emitted in one direction anyway."
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array

S*

"those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Is this a little like "Until every child is above average"?

Bill - W2WO

On May 24, 11:21*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
I considered joining Mensa but their standards are too low for me.

Here's the one for you: "The Giga society is the world's most
exclusive High-IQ society. An IQ of 196 or higher is required to
join."

http://www.gigasociety.org/
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:24 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

I'm amazed that anyone even remembers that fictional lake.
Bill Baka

It's not hard to forget something that is on every week.

Well, that logic blew a tire.... I will just ride the rim as I head
for the off ramp.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC