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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

I am as much fun like Tesla, the father of radio.

The only thing you have in common with Tesla is you both got senile.


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On 6/25/2010 12:06 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

They must: " In electronic circuit theory, a "ground" is usually idealized
as an
infinite source or sink for charge, which can absorb an unlimited amount of
current without changing its potential."

Your mistake here is to assume that because they can sink current that
the are sinking DC current. The "ground", as you like to think about it
may carry current during the RF cycle, but there is nothing that would
cause an unbalanced charge buildup since it IS symmetrical.

tom
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On 6/25/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"The use of the term ground (or earth) is so common in electrical and
electronics applications that circuits in portable electronic devices such
as cell phones and media players as well as circuits in vehicles such as
ships, aircraft, and spacecraft may be spoken of as having a "ground"
connection without any actual connection to the Earth. This is usually a
large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the
"ground plane" on a printed circuit board) which serves as the common return
path for current from many different components in the circuit."

that it could perform his field emission any longer.

In the vacuum is the rare plasma. The are free charges.

It should be easy to observe as the signal strength would decrease with
time. I haven't noticed that effect myself, nor has anyone else.

Are you sure?
Each ground must be large enough. Engineers know what to do.
Sometimes they water the ground area.

In the space the chassis must be large enough.
S*



You know, he is sort of more amusing than Art. At first. Art can argue
and Art makes no sense, and neither does Szechuan, but he can't build an
argument that even sounds a little bit logical. And his arguments never
change. Art makes up new stuff all the time.

Prediction - Szechuan will eventually become so boring no one that no
one will respond.

tom
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On 6/25/2010 8:37 PM, tom wrote:
On 6/25/2010 12:06 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

They must: " In electronic circuit theory, a "ground" is usually
idealized
as an
infinite source or sink for charge, which can absorb an unlimited
amount of
current without changing its potential."

Your mistake here is to assume that because they can sink current that
the are sinking DC current. The "ground", as you like to think about it
may carry current during the RF cycle, but there is nothing that would
cause an unbalanced charge buildup since it IS symmetrical.

tom
K0TAR

And I forgot to include that there is no field emission, so no charge
could possibly build up.

tom
K0TAR

Galvanized or Copper Gound Rods?
 

wrote ...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

I am as much fun like Tesla, the father of radio.

The only thing you have in common with Tesla is you both got senile.

Before that Tesla did a little (from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla ): "Tesla's patents and
theoretical work formed the basis of modern alternating current (AC)
electric power systems, including the polyphase system of electrical
distribution and the AC motor, which helped usher in the Second Industrial
Revolution."

"After his demonstration of wireless communication through radio in 1894 and
after being the victor in the "War of Currents", he was widely respected as
one of the greatest electrical engineers who worked in America.[2"

: ""Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous
body
in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

Of course the all abowe is funny.
Do you read the Maxwell's works?
S*

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"tom" wrote
t...
On 6/25/2010 12:06 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

They must: " In electronic circuit theory, a "ground" is usually
idealized
as an
infinite source or sink for charge, which can absorb an unlimited
amount of
current without changing its potential."

Your mistake here is to assume that because they can sink current that the
are sinking DC current. The "ground", as you like to think about it may
carry current during the RF cycle, but there is nothing that would cause
an unbalanced charge buildup since it IS symmetrical.

Your mistake here is to assume that the RF cycle, IS symmetrical.

Each real wave is asymmetrical. The forward pulse is always stronger than
the return.
For this reason you must have power on.
S*

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"tom" wrote
. net...

And I forgot to include that there is no field emission, so no charge
could possibly build up.

Emission is the result of voltage.

If the power is ON the emissin take place.
S*

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"tom" wrote
. net...
On 6/25/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:


Prediction - Szechuan will eventually become so boring no one that no one
will respond.

Each one of you can measure the DC ground current.
Why you are so boring sending the same incontructive answer (no emission).
Emission is a fact. It is interesting how it is much.
S*

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On Jun 26, 7:46*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"tom" ouse.net...

On 6/25/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Prediction - Szechuan will eventually become so boring no one that no one
will respond.

Each one of you can measure the DC ground current.
Why you *are so boring sending the same incontructive answer (no emission).
Emission is a fact. It is interesting how it is much.
S*

first, the fcc would get really mad at me if my rf waves weren't
symmetric, that would make for horribly distorted signals!

and yes, i have measured the dc ground current and it is also zero.
when you have a transmitter in your car are the rubber tires not
isolating the car body from ground? do you get shocked after you have
been transmitting for a while and step out of your car? where does
the ground current go when you have a plastic cased handheld radio?

i agree, mr. b is not as much fun as art... at least he made up things
that weren't so easy to observe as wrong, after all who could see the
waste deep levitating neutrinos jumping off their diamagnetic
antennas. mr. b's stuff is just absurd.

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"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:

wrote ...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

I am as much fun like Tesla, the father of radio.

The only thing you have in common with Tesla is you both got senile.

Before that Tesla did a little (from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla ): "Tesla's patents and
theoretical work formed the basis of modern alternating current (AC)
electric power systems, including the polyphase system of electrical
distribution and the AC motor, which helped usher in the Second Industrial
Revolution."

Yep, before Tesla went senile he did some stuff, but you have never done
anything before going senile.


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"K1TTT" wrote
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On Jun 26, 7:46 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Emission is a fact. It is interesting how it is much.

first, the fcc would get really mad at me if my rf waves weren't
symmetric, that would make for horribly distorted signals!

Each waves transports mass in direction from the source. This is form of
asymmetry.

and yes, i have measured the dc ground current and it is also zero.
when you have a transmitter in your car are the rubber tires not
isolating the car body from ground?

You do not read my posts:
""The use of the term ground (or earth) is so common in electrical and
electronics applications that circuits in portable electronic devices such
as cell phones and media players as well as circuits in vehicles such as
ships, aircraft, and spacecraft may be spoken of as having a "ground"
connection without any actual connection to the Earth. This is usually a
large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the
"ground plane" on a printed circuit board) which serves as the common return
path for current from many different components in the circuit."



do you get shocked after you have
been transmitting for a while and step out of your car?

It is common event.

where does
the ground current go when you have a plastic cased handheld radio?

To chassis. See the chassis ground.

i agree, mr. b is not as much fun as art... at least he made up things
that weren't so easy to observe as wrong, after all who could see the
waste deep levitating neutrinos jumping off their diamagnetic
antennas. mr. b's stuff is just absurd.

Radio was made by Stokes, Helmholtz and Tesla.
I try to remember it to you.
S*

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wrote ...
"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:

wrote ...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

I am as much fun like Tesla, the father of radio.

The only thing you have in common with Tesla is you both got senile.

Before that Tesla did a little (from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla ): "Tesla's patents and
theoretical work formed the basis of modern alternating current (AC)
electric power systems, including the polyphase system of electrical
distribution and the AC motor, which helped usher in the Second
Industrial
Revolution."

Yep, before Tesla went senile he did some stuff, but you have never done
anything before going senile.

In the radio area it is nothing to do.
Everything was done by Stokes, Helmholtz and Tesla.
Radio people should know a little about them.

The first step should be measuring the DC ground current.
S*

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On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
where does
the ground current go when you have a plastic cased handheld radio?

To chassis. See the chassis ground.

argh

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"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:

wrote ...
"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:

wrote ...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

I am as much fun like Tesla, the father of radio.

The only thing you have in common with Tesla is you both got senile.

Before that Tesla did a little (from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla ): "Tesla's patents and
theoretical work formed the basis of modern alternating current (AC)
electric power systems, including the polyphase system of electrical
distribution and the AC motor, which helped usher in the Second
Industrial
Revolution."

Yep, before Tesla went senile he did some stuff, but you have never done
anything before going senile.

In the radio area it is nothing to do.
Everything was done by Stokes, Helmholtz and Tesla.
Radio people should know a little about them.

The first step should be measuring the DC ground current.
S*

Babbling, word salad, gibberish of a senile mind.


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On 6/26/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
. net...

And I forgot to include that there is no field emission, so no charge
could possibly build up.

Emission is the result of voltage.

If the power is ON the emissin take place.
S*



Incorrect.

tom
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On 6/26/2010 2:34 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
t...
On 6/25/2010 12:06 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

They must: " In electronic circuit theory, a "ground" is usually
idealized
as an
infinite source or sink for charge, which can absorb an unlimited
amount of
current without changing its potential."

Your mistake here is to assume that because they can sink current that the
are sinking DC current. The "ground", as you like to think about it may
carry current during the RF cycle, but there is nothing that would cause
an unbalanced charge buildup since it IS symmetrical.

Your mistake here is to assume that the RF cycle, IS symmetrical.

Each real wave is asymmetrical. The forward pulse is always stronger than
the return.
For this reason you must have power on.
S*




Incorrect.

tom
K0TAR

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On 6/26/2010 1:48 PM, K1TTT wrote:
On Jun 26, 6:21 pm, "Szczepan wrote:
where does
the ground current go when you have a plastic cased handheld radio?

To chassis. See the chassis ground.

argh

Yup. At least Art makes up new nonsense when someone throws facts back
at him. Mr B is BORING.

tom
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"tom" wrote
. net...
On 6/26/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
. net...

And I forgot to include that there is no field emission, so no charge
could possibly build up.

Emission is the result of voltage.

If the power is ON the emissin take place.

Incorrect.

"(II) Field emission: In this method, a strong electric field (i.e. a high
positive voltage) is applied at the metal surface which pulls the free
electrons out of the metal because of the attraction of positive field. The
strong the electric field, the greater is the electron emission. "

You are incorrect.
S*

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On Jun 27, 9:28*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"tom" ouse.net...

On 6/26/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
*wrote
e.net...

And I forgot to include that there is no field emission, so no charge
could possibly build up.

Emission is the result of voltage.

If the power is ON the emissin take place.

Incorrect.

"(II) Field emission: In this method, a strong electric field (i.e. a high
positive voltage) is applied at the metal surface which pulls the free
electrons out of the metal because of the attraction of positive field. The
strong the electric field, the greater is the electron emission. "

You are incorrect.
S*

that quote is correct... unfortunately the voltages created by most
radio transmitters aren't high enough to overcome the metal work
function so no field emission takes place from antennas. and even if
it did it wouldn't go anywhere because radio waves are symmetric.