On Jun 23, 8:12*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Jun 22, 7:44 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Is it possible to measure the netto current in the track ground-antenna?
sure.

The field emisssion probably works in an antenna: "Field emission can
happen
from solid and liquid surfaces, or individual atoms into vacuum or open
air,"
field emission is not likely at amateur power levels.

" Transmitters for long and medium wave require good grounding and soil of
high electrical conductivity. Locations at the sea or in river valleys are
ideal, but the flood danger must be considered. Transmitters for UHF are
best on high mountains to improve the range ".


no they don't... those types of transmitters work just fine in
airplanes with no soil available.


So I look hehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast

"This technique works by applying a DC ground at a point of minimum
radiofrequency voltage, conducting static charge to ground without
diminishing the radio energy. Static electrical charge can build up to high
values, even at times of no thunderstorm activity, when such tall structures
are insulated from ground."

Would be interesting to know the value of the DC current.

Do you agree that it is the field emission (loss of electrons)?
S*

loss of electrons maybe, but due to friction with particulates in the
atmosphere. also partly due to the fair weather electric field:
http://www.missioninstruments.com/pa...ec_fields.html

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Jun 23, 8:12 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Is it possible to measure the netto current in the track
ground-antenna?
sure.


" Transmitters for long and medium wave require good grounding and soil
of
high electrical conductivity. Locations at the sea or in river valleys
are
ideal, but the flood danger must be considered. Transmitters for UHF are
best on high mountains to improve the range ".


no they don't... those types of transmitters work just fine in
airplanes with no soil available.

In the airplanes is the "chassis ground". The large metal surface is the
charge source. The surface exchanges charges with the air.


. Static electrical charge can build up to high
values, even at times of no thunderstorm activity, when such tall
structures
are insulated from ground."

Would be interesting to know the value of the DC current.

Do you agree that it is the field emission (loss of electrons)?

loss of electrons maybe, but due to friction with particulates in the
atmosphere. also partly due to the fair weather electric field:
http://www.missioninstruments.com/pa...ec_fields.html

In a short period of time the atmospheric conditions are similar.

I am asking for measurement of the netto current in the track
ground-antenna.
The two measurements: before and during transmitting in the same atmospheric
conditions.
S*

On Jun 24, 7:53*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"K1TTT" ...
On Jun 23, 8:12 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Is it possible to measure the netto current in the track
ground-antenna?
sure.

" Transmitters for long and medium wave require good grounding and soil
of
high electrical conductivity. Locations at the sea or in river valleys
are
ideal, but the flood danger must be considered. Transmitters for UHF are
best on high mountains to improve the range ".

no they don't... those types of transmitters work just fine in

airplanes with no soil available.

In the airplanes is the "chassis ground". The large metal surface is the
charge source. The surface exchanges charges with the air.

not nearly large enough, nor necessary.


. Static electrical charge can build up to high
values, even at times of no thunderstorm activity, when such tall
structures
are insulated from ground."

Would be interesting to know the value of the DC current.

Do you agree that it is the field emission (loss of electrons)?
loss of electrons maybe, but due to friction with particulates in the

atmosphere. *also partly due to the fair weather electric field:http://www.missioninstruments.com/pa...ec_fields.html

In a short period of time the atmospheric conditions are similar.

I am asking for *measurement of the netto current in the track
ground-antenna.
The two measurements: before and during transmitting in the same atmospheric
conditions.
S*

net current = 0.

On 6/24/2010 3:56 PM, K1TTT wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:53 am, "Szczepan wrote:
Do you agree that it is the field emission (loss of electrons)?
loss of electrons maybe, but due to friction with particulates in the

atmosphere. also partly due to the fair weather electric field:http://www.missioninstruments.com/pa...ec_fields.html

In a short period of time the atmospheric conditions are similar.

I am asking for measurement of the netto current in the track
ground-antenna.
The two measurements: before and during transmitting in the same atmospheric
conditions.
S*

net current = 0.


He has yet to wonder how satellites could transmit very long. After
all, there would come a point in time where the charge would be so high
on the vacuum insulated satellite that it could perform his field
emission any longer.

It should be easy to observe as the signal strength would decrease with
time. I haven't noticed that effect myself, nor has anyone else.

tom
K0TAR

On 6/24/2010 7:25 PM, tom wrote:
On 6/24/2010 3:56 PM, K1TTT wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:53 am, "Szczepan wrote:
Do you agree that it is the field emission (loss of electrons)?
loss of electrons maybe, but due to friction with particulates in the

atmosphere. also partly due to the fair weather electric
field:http://www.missioninstruments.com/pa...ec_fields.html

In a short period of time the atmospheric conditions are similar.

I am asking for measurement of the netto current in the track
ground-antenna.
The two measurements: before and during transmitting in the same
atmospheric
conditions.
S*

net current = 0.


He has yet to wonder how satellites could transmit very long. After all,
there would come a point in time where the charge would be so high on
the vacuum insulated satellite that it could perform his field emission

Oops should read "could NOT perform".

tom
K0TAR

"tom" wrote
. net...
On 6/24/2010 3:56 PM, K1TTT wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:53 am, "Szczepan wrote:

I am asking for measurement of the netto current in the track
ground-antenna.
The two measurements: before and during transmitting in the same
atmospheric
conditions.
S*

net current = 0.


He has yet to wonder how satellites could transmit very long. After all,
there would come a point in time where the charge would be so high on the
vacuum insulated satellite

"The use of the term ground (or earth) is so common in electrical and
electronics applications that circuits in portable electronic devices such
as cell phones and media players as well as circuits in vehicles such as
ships, aircraft, and spacecraft may be spoken of as having a "ground"
connection without any actual connection to the Earth. This is usually a
large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the
"ground plane" on a printed circuit board) which serves as the common return
path for current from many different components in the circuit."

that it could perform his field emission any longer.

In the vacuum is the rare plasma. The are free charges.

It should be easy to observe as the signal strength would decrease with
time. I haven't noticed that effect myself, nor has anyone else.

Are you sure?
Each ground must be large enough. Engineers know what to do.
Sometimes they water the ground area.

In the space the chassis must be large enough.
S*

On 6/25/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"The use of the term ground (or earth) is so common in electrical and
electronics applications that circuits in portable electronic devices such
as cell phones and media players as well as circuits in vehicles such as
ships, aircraft, and spacecraft may be spoken of as having a "ground"
connection without any actual connection to the Earth. This is usually a
large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the
"ground plane" on a printed circuit board) which serves as the common return
path for current from many different components in the circuit."

that it could perform his field emission any longer.

In the vacuum is the rare plasma. The are free charges.

It should be easy to observe as the signal strength would decrease with
time. I haven't noticed that effect myself, nor has anyone else.

Are you sure?
Each ground must be large enough. Engineers know what to do.
Sometimes they water the ground area.

In the space the chassis must be large enough.
S*



You know, he is sort of more amusing than Art. At first. Art can argue
and Art makes no sense, and neither does Szechuan, but he can't build an
argument that even sounds a little bit logical. And his arguments never
change. Art makes up new stuff all the time.

Prediction - Szechuan will eventually become so boring no one that no
one will respond.

tom
K0TAR

"tom" wrote
. net...
On 6/25/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:


Prediction - Szechuan will eventually become so boring no one that no one
will respond.

Each one of you can measure the DC ground current.
Why you are so boring sending the same incontructive answer (no emission).
Emission is a fact. It is interesting how it is much.
S*