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lu6etj wrote in
: .... I am not interested yet to make questions about real rigs, but reduce at first only one specific problem at the most simple theorical model I can think: an ideal constant voltage source in series with an ideal resistence loaded at first with simple resistive loads connected directly and late via ideal lossless TL of differents simple wavelenghts 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 (I have formed idea about this, but I am not interested in my concept but your concept about it). For example, I want to know if you (all) would predict identical Rs and Rl dissipation in that reduced and theorical context with direct and remotely connected loads (vinculated via TL). To this point K1TTT -seem to me- tell me you all would agree to settle the problem with Telegrapher's equations to obtain TL input Z and then apply simple circuit theory solution to calculate Rs-Rl dissipation (before begin Thevenin misleading issue). I do not want to advance more from here for fear to complicate the question with my translation. Yes, if you are looking for a steady state solution, that is a valid solution, and almost the easiest solution. If you are using lossless lines, then the solution can be simpler than the Telegrapher's Equation which uses hyperbolic trig functions. Simple trig functions suffice if the line is lossless... but of course, the hyperbolic functions will also work. The reason I said "almost the easiest solution" above is that a trig based simplification of the Telegrapher's Equation is simpler than the hyperbolic Telegrapher's equation. Implicit in this is that for the steady state, it doesn't matter how an external network dictates V/I (Z) at the source/load terminals, whether or not transmission lines are involved, or their length, the power delivered by the source to its immediate load is determined by Veq, Zeq of the source, and Zl of the load. If an experiment indicates othewise, the experiment is flawed (eg something is wrong with the assumed values for circuit components, measurement error etc). Taking Walt's example, he connected three 50 ohms loads in parallel, then attached a nominal 50 ohm line of 13.5° electrical length. If you use TLLC (http://www.vk1od.net/calc/tl/tllc.php) to solve this problem at 4MHz using RG213 (though I don't know what he used), Zin is 17.78+j10.58. A lossless solution will have very slightly lower R. Walt measured 17.98 + j8.77 which suggests that the load at the end of the 50 ohm line was not exactly 16.6667+j0, or the line a little shorter, Zo off spec etc. Whilst the above focuses on steady state analysis, understand that steady state analysis is not appropriate for some types of transmitters, but for systems where the transmission line propagation delay is small compared the the highest modulating frequency, steady state analysis should be adequate. Owen |
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